I know one thing is its not something thats right around the corner in 2 years it would take 10 WITH 100% commitment of everyone involved to make it a reality. Hell people said 20 years ago that hybrid tech is to expensive and look at it now. With time problems get solved, just takes people to get thier heads on straight. And thats also why I said the yard waste. Right now the idea of E85 and its sources are just cracking the surface. It wouldnt be just corn it would be anything thats celulous based. Meaning grass clippings, leaves anything. And yes I know about the debates that went back and forth here and on other boards. Maybee I am an optimist. I see through all the smoke and mirrors to people that know WTF has to happen to get the job done. But the problem is trying to convince people that its right. Well right now you got people that are apposing this. Why? Money..

 

It wouldnt hurt if GM had some good hybrid-type cars on the lots to go along with this hidden internet article though...

You can't blame consumers for thinking that Toyota is a green company.

GM has taken into 2 alternatives and helping the situation with its E85 campaign (but is that really going to help anything??) and its commercials about its 30+mpg vehicles it offers.

If GM really is spending billions upon billions in tech that is going to surpass all, then THAT is what they need to also advertise. I hear there is a Super Bowl and college football Championship game coming up....

 

welll......perhaps this tells you something about media bias????

In several press events over the past couple of years, we've actually SHOWN the busses......................................


..................hmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

But Scott.
People say thats a myth and there is no media bias???

 

FWIW, diesel-electric hybrid buses are a big deal here in San Francisco among the greenies. (The real greenies, not the latte-drinking Prius drivers.) About half of the system is hydro-electric powered with overhead lines, but there is a big push to replace the diesel busses with something more environmental.

But, I think DCX got the contract, not GM.

 

Toyota needs to be taken down a notch or three. They have this teflon reputation, but with their recent recalls (one of which, if memory serves me correctly, was supposed to have been enacted years ago but the problem was covered up by the management so they didn't look like they had any problems) and their lineup of trucks and SUV's that are just as gas-guzzling as the worst American brand truck, PLUS the fact that gas-electric hybrids are nothing more than a temporary stopgap for fuel problems should have made a dent in their rep. But unfortunately, the general public has no knowledge of such things, and the car mags will pretty much NEVER say anything bad about Toyota, no matter how bland and unexciting their vehicles are. Someone needs to bring the facts to the public. I nominate GM to go on an advertising blitz that really takes it to Toyota's negative aspects

 

They're actually New Flyer and Gillig buses, with a GM hybrid transmission. GM stopped making buses in 1987 when they sold the Classic and RTS lines.

BAE Systems sells the competing hybrid drive system. I think you find them in the Orions (owned by DCX these days).

There's another hybrid system from ISE Corporation. They use a Ford V10 gasoline engine, and have become popular in California cities where they're not allowed to buy diesel and CNG is too expensive (requires a special fueling system).

But I agree with the general thrust of this thread. Toyota really has been getting a free pass!

 

eh GM should just go on 60 minutes an show they own every1