If only GM had something like this... 2006 Ford Fusion

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01-11-2005, 10:06 PM

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smackkk

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Re: If only GM had something like this... 2006 Ford Fusion

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No, which was my point. The Fusion is the small mid sized car, sitting under the Five Hundred which is the larger mid sized. This car is sitting where the Malibu, and G6 are sitting in the size/price segment.

Impala doesn't fare that well anyways:

Impala Sedan
180-hp 3400 V6 engine
200-hp 3800 V6 engine
3465lb curb weight

you could spend $30k and opt for the 240hp supercharged model though,

or the 303hp 06 model

since we are talking about an 06 Fusion.

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01-12-2005, 12:17 AM

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Re: If only GM had something like this... 2006 Ford Fusion

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Base engine: 2.3-liter I-4
Horsepower: 160
Optional engine: 3.0-liter V-6 Horsepower: 210
Curb weight: 3,280 pounds

2 tons? You're about 720 pounds shy of 2 tons there, chum.

Let's compare

Pontiac G6:
3.5L V6 engine with 200 hp
Curb weight, lbs 3,380

Chevy Malibu:
ECOTEC 2.2L I4 144-hp
3500 V6 200-hp
Curb weight, 3174 sedan, 3458 hatchback

Still, the 210hp Duratec is adequate at best. It isn't bad or underpowered but isn't anything great either. However, the 3.5L Duratec should be right around the corner and that should put it right up there with the accords and Altima's.

Btw: When do will we see the 3.5L duratec? I was thinking sometime 06 in the 07 models.

01-12-2005, 02:50 AM

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Re: If only GM had something like this... 2006 Ford Fusion

210 Duratec? I saw 203 advertised hp for the 500, and thats a whopping 3hp north of the same engine in the Taurus.
This year we see the Impala's BASE engine higher then the Duratec from Ford's 500, with the 3.9 and 5.3 making its way.
We also see the 3.9 making its way into the G6, easily outdoing the Fusion till it gets some other Mazda power plant.
So...whats so omfgigottahavearebadgemazda about teh Fusion again?

01-12-2005, 04:02 AM

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Re: If only GM had something like this... 2006 Ford Fusion

Because the Ford looks good, comes in any flavor.... AWD, FWD, luxury, sporty, or familly sedan. tons of room, great itnerior, and better materials.

01-12-2005, 08:07 AM

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Re: If only GM had something like this... 2006 Ford Fusion

Seems like a Ford attempt at a Jetta (both are even built in Mexico). Credit for a unique frontend aside, I don't know that I'm too impressed (ditto for the Five Hundred). Does everything have to be black and trying to look near-luxury??

01-12-2005, 10:26 AM

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Re: If only GM had something like this... 2006 Ford Fusion

Worked for Chrysler just with silver instead of black.

Look at all their cars. They all have "luxury/Euro" styling. Some people like that boring looking and if it doesn't look like that no matter what it is or how quality it is they won't buy it.

01-12-2005, 11:19 AM

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Re: If only GM had something like this... 2006 Ford Fusion

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Because the Ford looks good, comes in any flavor.... AWD, FWD, luxury, sporty, or familly sedan. tons of room, great itnerior, and better materials.

I dont remember hearing about the Fusion gettng AWD.
And better materials? I assume you have sat and driven in a production ready version? And I also assume you have also sat in a G6, so you could compare both Fusion and G6? You sat in all the seats, judging the room of the two vehicles? You have slalom and skid pad numbers for both Fusion and G6 to judge sportness?

01-12-2005, 12:54 PM

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Re: If only GM had something like this... 2006 Ford Fusion

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The Fusion has a 210 hp Duratec which is more horsepower the the Malibu. And we all know the 3.0 Duratec is just a stop gap for the 500.

01-12-2005, 03:31 PM

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Re: If only GM had something like this... 2006 Ford Fusion

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Fusions 3.0L Duratec packs 210hp. I guess the 3.0L Duratec gets a small hp increase for the 06 model year.

3.0/3.5L Duratec is not a mazda powerplant.

Btw: 2005 Impala's base engine is a 180hp 3.4L with the 200hp 3.8L serving as the mid-engine and the 240hp S/c'd 3.8L serving as the top engine in the SS. You probably had the 2006 model year in mind. In that case, the 210hp 3.5L will be the base engine in the 06 Imp. So for 06, the base Imp engine will be just as powerful as the top 3.0L in the 2006 500 which is why Ford needs to get the 3.5L in them ASAP.

01-12-2005, 03:44 PM

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Re: If only GM had something like this... 2006 Ford Fusion

Gold Rush, he quoted '06 Impala engines because the Fusion is an '06 car. It won't be competing with the '05 Impala, other than some normal intro product overlap.

01-12-2005, 03:53 PM

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Re: If only GM had something like this... 2006 Ford Fusion

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The Fusion has a 210 hp Duratec which is more horsepower the the Malibu. And we all know the 3.0 Duratec is just a stop gap for the 500.

3.5 is going to 211hp for '06...Chevy still wins that match

But if you really want to compare HP, I love how Fusion supporters ignore the fact the G6 will have a 240hp version BEFORE 2006, and the GXP will run about 270hp within a year.

Munch,
Chill, buddy

Ever since the Scion purchase you're beginning to sound like a mini-Redzed for crying out loud. Every post is a bash of a GM product. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but lighten up a little...no car is perfect. No car company is perfect.

01-12-2005, 04:53 PM

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Re: If only GM had something like this... 2006 Ford Fusion

Well we have to wait and see what the SVT Fusion will do. I bet give the GXP G6 a good run.

01-12-2005, 07:28 PM

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Re: If only GM had something like this... 2006 Ford Fusion

I think it looks fine, although it's not very interesting. However, boring > ugly.

01-13-2005, 02:10 AM

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Re: If only GM had something like this... 2006 Ford Fusion

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Munch,
Chill, buddy

Not true at all, I'm really loving the new stuff that GM is putting out under Saturn. I am wholly disappointed with the Chevrolet brand at the moment, and the "new" Impala and Monte aren't helping that one bit.

GM could do great if it would just focus, but it's such a spread out company you get a bunch of cars that are almost there. The Pontiacs are OK, and a lot better than the Chevy offerings. They just don't excite me at all.

And hey now, no redzed comparisons. At least I back up what I say and don't ignore any response to it.