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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 06:15 AM
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I keep hearing that American doesn't need 3 car companies, but...

Then why is it ok that Germany has 3, Japan has 7, and little Korea has 2.

3 Brands at Ford and Chrysler is bad but 33 import brands is Okay?
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 07:46 AM
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Because people want to be able to buy their Toyotas and Hondas and not feel guilty about putting Americans out of work...because, well, someone else can buy Fords and Jeeps and such.

If there's fewer American brands, and enough flag wavers like me, then people like me can in theory keep a couple companies in business. This country seriously makes me depressed sometimes.
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 08:20 AM
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Because people want to be able to buy their Toyotas and Hondas and not feel guilty about putting Americans out of work...because, well, someone else can buy Fords and Jeeps and such.

If there's fewer American brands, and enough flag wavers like me, then people like me can in theory keep a couple companies in business. This country seriously makes me depressed sometimes.


CNN had a poll recently and as of my vote 40% said that American car companies aren't capable of building a car they'd want. Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid.
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 08:43 AM
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CNN had a poll recently and as of my vote 40% said that American car companies aren't capable of building a car they'd want. Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid.
American car companies as a whole haven't been building cars that Americans want. No Kool-Aid involved.

The only rear drive sports coupe we've had till just recently was just the Mustang. The only traditional American sedan over the past 15 years that was brought up to date was the Chrysler LX. It wasn't till the latest Malibu came out that there was an American car that was actually was better than Toyota and Honda in design, materials, and quality.

The new Camaro is the 1st American coupe made that's clearly better than most any coupe imported. The current CTS is clearly better than anything from Lexus and Infiniti, tops Audi, and very much on par with BMW. Chrysler's the 1st US company where you can say 25mpg, full size sedan, and 375 horsepower V8 while refering to the same car.


The results of that poll show that 40% of the public don't feel US automakers make what they want, which means that 60% DO!

If you had taken that poll back some years ago, no doubt those numbers would have been at the very least, reversed.

I have no problems with those numbers, and I can easily see them. US makers have come a long way in the past 4 years. Those numbers will improve within the next 2. Ford is going to be a much different company by then.... and GM is going to be better.
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 08:59 AM
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If any of the Big Three fail, they are going to take many parts suppliers with them- many smaller manufacturers of starters, wiper motors, glass, carpeting, etc. will fold also, making it even harder for the remaining car companies to continue-
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 09:09 AM
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I feel like the biggest failure of the big 3 is not putting out a car in the USA that could get 40mpg. They have won the HP war but have lost the MPG war.

Chrysler is the worst, their most fuel efficient car is the 30MPG 1.8 L, Manual, Dodge Caliber

Ford and GM are on par or better than the imports but still need that 40mpg green halo car.
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Mikes25thAnnTA
CNN had a poll recently and as of my vote 40% said that American car companies aren't capable of building a car they'd want. Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid.
Originally Posted by guionM
American car companies as a whole haven't been building cars that Americans want. No Kool-Aid involved.
Ding-ding-ding-ding.....we have a winner!

It's very simple. Their problem isn't that they can't build cars that Americans want. Once upon a time, they did exactly that. Maybe one could go farther with that and even say that American auto companies are still building cars/trucks that Americans want, while some foreign manufacturers have been doing a better job building cars/trucks that Americans need.
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Jason E
If there's fewer American brands, and enough flag wavers like me, then people like me can in theory keep a couple companies in business. This country seriously makes me depressed sometimes.
Does it make you depressed when Chinese buy Buicks? It's capitalism...the public buys what they think is best whether it is or not.
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 09:55 AM
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Does it make you depressed when Chinese buy Buicks? It's capitalism...the public buys what they think is best whether it is or not.
America already has more than three car companies here employing tens of thousands directly and many times more than that indirectly.

In any case, America can have as many car companies as it wants so long as they can make a profit without feeding off public largess (especially when that largess has to be funded by borrowing money from communist China).

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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 11:22 AM
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america can have any many car companies as it wants. There also is no cap on how many brands they can have. They just have to sell product
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 11:52 AM
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Then why is it ok that Germany has 3, Japan has 7, and little Korea has 2.

3 Brands at Ford and Chrysler is bad but 33 import brands is Okay?
It could be there are too many brands globaly and the US brands are just the weakest at the moment.
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
I feel like the biggest failure of the big 3 is not putting out a car in the USA that could get 40mpg. They have won the HP war but have lost the MPG war.

Chrysler is the worst, their most fuel efficient car is the 30MPG 1.8 L, Manual, Dodge Caliber

Ford and GM are on par or better than the imports but still need that 40mpg green halo car.
Better for who...based on what criteria?

Do the domestics have some great cars to offer? Sure they do.

Are they, on the whole, "better" than their foreign competition? Probably not.

In any case, no one has won any war (HP or MPG)...the war goes on and today's champions in any particular category don't have to be tomorrow's champions.
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 12:05 PM
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American car makers can make as many brands as they want. All I ask is that said car makers provide me with a model that I WANT TO BUY.

I personally feel that for the first time in a LONG TIME, American auto makers ARE making models that I (a) enjoy driving, (b) are reliable, and (c) make me feel proud to drive an American made vehicle.
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 12:24 PM
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Americans have been convinced to hate this country, it's people, and it's products, pure and simple!
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason E
Because people want to be able to buy their Toyotas and Hondas and not feel guilty about putting Americans out of work...because, well, someone else can buy Fords and Jeeps and such.

If there's fewer American brands, and enough flag wavers like me, then people like me can in theory keep a couple companies in business. This country seriously makes me depressed sometimes.
I have to agree. This is the first step in the taking down of America.....



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