I already have a bad feeling about GMs 2 mode Buick/Vue SUV
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I already have a bad feeling about GMs 2 mode Buick/Vue SUV
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car..._2011-car_news
3.6L are you kidding me???? The non hybrid Buick SWB Theta won't even have that. If the goal is MPG then why are they using the Camaro V6 instead of the SIDI 2.4L?????
My prediction if the 3.6L is true, 26/27mpg While the much cheaper non hybrid with the 2.4L gets 22/32mpg. It will be a flop. Didn't they learn anything from the 3.5L Honda Accord hybrid??
A year later, Buick plans to launch a plug-in hybrid version of the crossover. (We’d already been promised a plug-in version of the Vue, lending more credence to our Saturn-turned-Buick hypothesis.) The crossover will employ GM’s front-wheel-drive, two-mode hybrid system paired with a direct-injected, 3.6-liter V-6 engine. Early prototypes of the crossover can reportedly drive more than 10 miles on electric power alone. The 8-kilowatt-hour battery comes from the same supplier as that of the upcoming Chevy Volt and can be fully charged in five hours from a standard wall plug, helping to increase the crossover’s range and fuel economy.
My prediction if the 3.6L is true, 26/27mpg While the much cheaper non hybrid with the 2.4L gets 22/32mpg. It will be a flop. Didn't they learn anything from the 3.5L Honda Accord hybrid??
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The fuel economy numbers for the 2 mode hybrid were...
27/30. This is before the plugin part of it. So if the plug version can use less gas, I am not sure what it would be rated for.
But I completely understand your point.
EDIT:
With the other two modes that were out there, the engine is usually a large one. I am wondering if this is need to help charge the battery as well.
27/30. This is before the plugin part of it. So if the plug version can use less gas, I am not sure what it would be rated for.
But I completely understand your point.
EDIT:
With the other two modes that were out there, the engine is usually a large one. I am wondering if this is need to help charge the battery as well.
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On the GMT-900 2-mode, the V8 is large because of its DOD, so it can remain in 4-cylinder mode longer. Perhaps the 3.6 V6 is getting DOD?
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GM's goal should be to one up the Ford Escape. They are already handicapping them selves with a 304HP V6 when a 182HP 2.4L will do.
Plug in on the other hand should be interesting, it is just too bad a lot of gains are thrown away by the big 3.6L.
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Where is that number from? It is better than I thought but still is probably only 1 or 2 mpg off the combined number of the SIDI 2.4L's. Price will be what ~$8,000 more than the 4 cyl. for 2mpg whats the point.
GM's goal should be to one up the Ford Escape. They are already handicapping them selves with a 304HP V6 when a 182HP 2.4L will do.
Plug in on the other hand should be interesting, it is just too bad a lot of gains are thrown away by the big 3.6L.
GM's goal should be to one up the Ford Escape. They are already handicapping them selves with a 304HP V6 when a 182HP 2.4L will do.
Plug in on the other hand should be interesting, it is just too bad a lot of gains are thrown away by the big 3.6L.
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Where is that number from? It is better than I thought but still is probably only 1 or 2 mpg off the combined number of the SIDI 2.4L's. Price will be what ~$8,000 more than the 4 cyl. for 2mpg whats the point.
GM's goal should be to one up the Ford Escape. They are already handicapping them selves with a 304HP V6 when a 182HP 2.4L will do.
Plug in on the other hand should be interesting, it is just too bad a lot of gains are thrown away by the big 3.6L.
GM's goal should be to one up the Ford Escape. They are already handicapping them selves with a 304HP V6 when a 182HP 2.4L will do.
Plug in on the other hand should be interesting, it is just too bad a lot of gains are thrown away by the big 3.6L.
www.fueleconomy.gov
Lookup 2009 Saturn Vue Hybrid. It has the 4 cyl and the 2 mode V6 listed.
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Nor does the Toyota Highlander Hybrid. It also has a V6. It is rated for 27/25.
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I see, it can remain in 4-cylinder mode longer and charge the battery. I don't know if the 3.6 is getting DOD or not. Interesting though.
The number is coming from the EPA.
www.fueleconomy.gov
Lookup 2009 Saturn Vue Hybrid. It has the 4 cyl and the 2 mode V6 listed.
The number is coming from the EPA.
www.fueleconomy.gov
Lookup 2009 Saturn Vue Hybrid. It has the 4 cyl and the 2 mode V6 listed.
The Tahoe Hybrid also got the 6.0L for towing.
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When is the Buick Vue coming out???
The reason I ask, is that the Kuga/Escape will be out in 2011, I believe. It will also have a much upgraded hybrid system, from the current one, which is basically version 1.5 (Fusion has version 2.0).
They are chasing a moving target, and that mileage just doesn't seem very good. I realize it will get somewhat better, when you can go 10 miles on electric............ but still.
Short of the Volt, why is there no decent hybrid, from GM??? The Volt will be pricey, and not for everyone. They need something that gets real good mileage, in a CUV. It doesn't need to go 0-60 in 6-7 seconds.
There needs to be more choices available, from GM. Not everyone can get a $40/50/60K Voltec. As undesirable as it may be, for the time being, a regular hybrid does come in at a much lower price. Plus, the profits, even if small, can help to offset the losses on the Volt.
The reason I ask, is that the Kuga/Escape will be out in 2011, I believe. It will also have a much upgraded hybrid system, from the current one, which is basically version 1.5 (Fusion has version 2.0).
They are chasing a moving target, and that mileage just doesn't seem very good. I realize it will get somewhat better, when you can go 10 miles on electric............ but still.
Short of the Volt, why is there no decent hybrid, from GM??? The Volt will be pricey, and not for everyone. They need something that gets real good mileage, in a CUV. It doesn't need to go 0-60 in 6-7 seconds.
There needs to be more choices available, from GM. Not everyone can get a $40/50/60K Voltec. As undesirable as it may be, for the time being, a regular hybrid does come in at a much lower price. Plus, the profits, even if small, can help to offset the losses on the Volt.
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When is the Buick Vue coming out???
The reason I ask, is that the Kuga/Escape will be out in 2011, I believe. It will also have a much upgraded hybrid system, from the current one, which is basically version 1.5 (Fusion has version 2.0).
They are chasing a moving target, and that mileage just doesn't seem very good. I realize it will get somewhat better, when you can go 10 miles on electric............ but still.
Short of the Volt, why is there no decent hybrid, from GM??? The Volt will be pricey, and not for everyone. They need something that gets real good mileage, in a CUV. It doesn't need to go 0-60 in 6-7 seconds.
There needs to be more choices available, from GM. Not everyone can get a $40/50/60K Voltec. As undesirable as it may be, for the time being, a regular hybrid does come in at a much lower price. Plus, the profits, even if small, can help to offset the losses on the Volt.
The reason I ask, is that the Kuga/Escape will be out in 2011, I believe. It will also have a much upgraded hybrid system, from the current one, which is basically version 1.5 (Fusion has version 2.0).
They are chasing a moving target, and that mileage just doesn't seem very good. I realize it will get somewhat better, when you can go 10 miles on electric............ but still.
Short of the Volt, why is there no decent hybrid, from GM??? The Volt will be pricey, and not for everyone. They need something that gets real good mileage, in a CUV. It doesn't need to go 0-60 in 6-7 seconds.
There needs to be more choices available, from GM. Not everyone can get a $40/50/60K Voltec. As undesirable as it may be, for the time being, a regular hybrid does come in at a much lower price. Plus, the profits, even if small, can help to offset the losses on the Volt.
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The current DOD is only designed for OHV engines. So a DOD system for OHC engines would have to be completely different and does not currently exist.
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I wouldn't say "it doesn't exist". Honda uses DOD on their OHC V6s to make them go into 3, 4, or 6 cylinder mode. Yes, it doesn't exist at GM yet, which is why I asked if it might be getting it in the future. The fact that it would be different than GM's OHV DOD isn't really relevant.
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Here's the press release announcing it from November 2006.
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/11/29/2...2-mode-hybrid/
It has long been speculated on the Saturn forums that it would be pretty comparable to the BAS Vue mileage-wise, but be much quicker (0-60 in 7.3 seconds).
My guess is that there's a lot sunk into the development, the powertrain is ready to go, so they're going ahead with it. I think how the vehicle is priced will be a big factor in how well it does.
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You have to take into account that the 3.6 2-Mode powertrain was fully developed before GM completed the DI 2.4. Maybe even before the DI 2.4 was on the drawing board. Had it come out for 2008 as originally intended it would be more competitive.
Here's the press release announcing it from November 2006.
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/11/29/2...2-mode-hybrid/
It has long been speculated on the Saturn forums that it would be pretty comparable to the BAS Vue mileage-wise, but be much quicker (0-60 in 7.3 seconds).
My guess is that there's a lot sunk into the development, the powertrain is ready to go, so they're going ahead with it. I think how the vehicle is priced will be a big factor in how well it does.
Here's the press release announcing it from November 2006.
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/11/29/2...2-mode-hybrid/
It has long been speculated on the Saturn forums that it would be pretty comparable to the BAS Vue mileage-wise, but be much quicker (0-60 in 7.3 seconds).
My guess is that there's a lot sunk into the development, the powertrain is ready to go, so they're going ahead with it. I think how the vehicle is priced will be a big factor in how well it does.
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You have to take into account that the 3.6 2-Mode powertrain was fully developed before GM completed the DI 2.4. Maybe even before the DI 2.4 was on the drawing board. Had it come out for 2008 as originally intended it would be more competitive.
Here's the press release announcing it from November 2006.
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/11/29/2...2-mode-hybrid/
It has long been speculated on the Saturn forums that it would be pretty comparable to the BAS Vue mileage-wise, but be much quicker (0-60 in 7.3 seconds).
My guess is that there's a lot sunk into the development, the powertrain is ready to go, so they're going ahead with it. I think how the vehicle is priced will be a big factor in how well it does.
Here's the press release announcing it from November 2006.
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/11/29/2...2-mode-hybrid/
It has long been speculated on the Saturn forums that it would be pretty comparable to the BAS Vue mileage-wise, but be much quicker (0-60 in 7.3 seconds).
My guess is that there's a lot sunk into the development, the powertrain is ready to go, so they're going ahead with it. I think how the vehicle is priced will be a big factor in how well it does.