so i guess they are easy to get so nevermind.....

 

Anyone see this?
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/02/d...rvette-z06-in/

 

the genesis coupe's powertrains are killing it. it's slower than the camaro and it barely keeps up with the mustang which is getting 100 more hp next year. the genesis badly needs a v8 but i heard from someone that there's not enough room in the engine bay for one

 

A part of me is surprised at how low the #'s are and another part of me isn't. It's a tough competitive segment and the hyundai (while a good car) doesn't really offer anything special. It's nowhere near as good looking as the mustang and camaro, it isn't any cheaper, doesn't have the history/heritage, and the performance while competitive is nothing special. Imo, the v6 camaro either beats or matches it in just about every category.

 

I think they dropped the ball by not offering a V8. Camaro SS is about 1 second faster in the 1/4mi.
The V6 Camaro is only a few tenths slower yet gets 3mpg more and costs thousands less. The biggest draw back though is people don't want to spend $30K on a Hyundia

 

A tiny Hyundai dealer near me has about 10 of them sitting on the lot. They've been there for a month.

 

Even with a v8 they'd still run into the same problems. At best: it'd cost as much as an SS or upcoming 5.0L GT, offer the same level of performance while lacking the style and history. people will still prefer the SS/GT.

For the Genesis to succeed or take sales away from GM/Ford, it'll have to come in cheaper while offering better performance and style than the camaro and mustang and that's very hard to do.

 

I've seen quite a few coupes around, especially around the Toronto area.

I've seen only 1 sedan against approx. 8 or 9 coupes.

I think the car looks refined, has a nice interior and a wicked car commercial going for it yet it still reminds me way too much of a Tiburon and the competition is just too fierce in that price range.

Like many have said, people are reluctant to spend that kind of money on a Hyundai. The critics haven't been too kind towards the coupe. The Sedan is another story.

 

The Genesis coupe has not been available the entire year (out a few months) and the cheaper 2.0 version which the tuners want even less than that.
Even with that though, the segment is suffering sales wise, and the heritage of the Mustang and Camaro help with their sales as mentioned.

Let's look at the highly acclaimed 370Z sales for the year so far:

Jan. - 1280
Feb. - 1452
Mar. - 1635
Apr. - 1561
May - 1278
Jun. - 924


The Genesis sold 2X the number that the 370Z did for the month, though there is no way to tell a breakdown.

The highest selling Mazda model was the 3 with 7500 units. The RX8 sold 278 units. There are a lot of models suffering right now sales wise.

 

Leftover 2008 Tiburons have cannibalized some of the sales of the coupe for the short time it has been out. Hyundai has been offering $4500 in rebates and other incentives on them. Dealers have not been budging much at all on the Genesis. My previous local dealer had one of each on the lot, each with a $5,000 dealer adjustment added to the price. The reason I was told was to keep the cars on the lot to attract buyers.

 

1. The Genesis V6 is quicker than the Camaro V6 by half a second to 60 and a third of a second in a quarter. Mustangs are far in the rear view mirror.

2. Genesis' powertrains are actually very, very good. The 3.8 V6 revs hard and fast, and puts out 306 horsepower which compares to Camaro's 3.6 putting out 304. The turbo 4 is a joint engine between Hyundai, Chrysler (yes, Chrysler) and Mitsubishi. It's essentially the same engine that's in the Caliber SRT4 and the Mitsubishi Evo...yes, EVO...made by GEMA. In short, even the base 4 banger has ENORMOUS potential. http://www.gemaengine.com/ I could tell you about the trannies and the Brembo brakes that you can get on the things, but I think enough's been said to set ya straight on drivetrains.

3. Finally... the Genisis DOES NOT NEED A V8!!!!!
It's downright silly to think everything needs a V8 or it won't sell. Reminds me of the folks that used to post here that the only thing the 4th gen needed to bring up sales was more horsepower. Fortunately, most of them have been comitted or banished safely to formerly abandoned Russian Gulags deep in Siberia. This is NOT a V8 muscle car. The heart and soul of a sports coupe is how it stands on it's own to the majority of buyers who don't order V8s or top performance versions. Genesis does quite well on it's own accord.

If...and that is "IF" there is anything the Genesis coupe needs, it is a more distinctive body design. It's easy for the car to blend in with just about every other Japanese or Korean body design on the road. I've already confused one with a new G37 coupe.

I see the Genesis as a return to the pony car, done in modern language. It's small, sporty, it doesn't have the biggest engines under it's hood. But it's smaller than "Muscle Cars", has "Track Cred", and is fun to drive, just like original pony cars.


Another glaring point was raised in that the Genesis doesn't have 45 years of history behind it like the Mustang, and it doesn't have 8 years of pent up demand moving it like the Camaro.

But another point that is often missed is that the US car makers traditionally dominate the sporty coupe market here. Even though the 2002 Camaro was selling pitifully bad in 2002, it was still the 2nd biggest selling sports coupe in the US. Import coupes (and yes, that includes the Eclipse, the G35, and whatever other sporty coupe you want to name) generally do not sell anywhere near the volume of what Mustangs and Camaros traditionally sell at. There's a reason why so many Japanese coupes & sports cars died or were pulled out of the US market in the late 90s.

Before calling the Genesis coupe a flop, ya might want to see how it's sales compare to other sports coupes sold under foreign nameplates.

 

YET

This (the Genesis blob) is supposedly where the market is going?! *shrugs*

I do know one thing, though. I'd be divorcing that chick if she destroyed my new Z06. It's bad enough that she bought a Genesis, but then to assualt a new Z06 like that...

 

I like the Genesis coupe, and could see getting one of those before a V6 Camaro...

 

I would expect to see a lot more Chevys than Hyundais in Michigan. I don't think this is a significant observation.

 

Just wait for some turbo kits for the 2.0T.
500RWHP Coupes will be everywhere (just like Evos).
S.
ps. My close friend had the Genesis sedan and it is VERY impressive car (specially for the price). The build quality is similar with high end German cars (BMW 7). Its more comfortable than my Jag and pretty fast. Overall EXCELLENT daily driver.