Oh I'm sure there's some. And maybe it's a lack of choice for a V8 with their imports that makes them so against the V8; I dunno... lol

But every "tuner" i've dealt with would prefer a 4 or 6 with a Turbo over a V8 anyday. Although, maybe we just need to change their thinking to a V8 w/ a Turbo...

 

I hope that scenario doesn't come to pass. There would be quite alot of iron though.


No, most of the "Tuner" crowd are a bunch of idiots with hand me down cars that they sink minimal money into purchasing a slew of trendy mods that never net them any power anyway, and suddenly think they are the fastest things on the roads. Most of them are either older teenagers or really young adults, and for most of them it is a phase they will grow out of, because there interest in cars is only a passing fancy.
I have a few friends who are real import enthusiasts, and your statement about them not liking v8s is too broad. The real performance guys all have their own ideas and concepts about what an engine should be, so I don't think a v8 Hyundai would turn many of them off at all. I know an import guy who likes to turbocharge anything, he has had 3 turbo import cars and wants to try turboing a cheap v8, probably a 5.0 Mustang foxbody.

Since when was the Tiburon ever a hot car in the "import" scene anyway?

 

My wife just traded in her Integra for a Tiburon GT. I gotta say I like it.
It even rattles and creeks like my Camaro(just not as loud) so I feel right at home when I drive it. Their pony car will fit right in.

 

If we end up with a Hyundai pony car before we end up with a new Camaro...

 

Timing wise, I'd put my money on Hyundai.

 

I said "Tuner" market. I agree /real/ import enthusiasts are ok - but what segment is larger? I would think the Young kids/adults would be - but maybe not...

 

thats Hilarious if GM can't make a Camaro, before freaking Hyundai makes a pony car thats screwey, maybe the hyundai will atleast have strong enough window motors..

 

i don't think GM will let this one slide, call me optomistic. of all the people in the world, i think Red would personally sell his soul just to get a Camaro to market before any Hyundai does.

 

Boy, I don't know about that!

Maybe a G35 coupe though....

But wouldn't it be terrible (for us that is), if Hyundai comes out with a much more sporty and contemporary ponycar than Camaro!?!? You know what? Someone's head would have to roll if that happened! I am really not kidding.

One thing I'm pretty sure of though. You'll be able to buy a new Hyundai ponycar before a Chevy one.

 

It seems they will have RWD sedans out before chevy/pontiac as well.

Everyone here keeps saying that GM is going to make a turn around. But Its going to be to little to late. The Cobalt is good but not better than any of the import offerings.(I'm not talking about the SS) The Vette and Z06 are awsome cars but nothing in the bread and butter car lines for GM stands out.

GM is to late with RWD. DCX has beaten them to it by a lot. The Koreans might beat them to it as well. Ford/Mazda/Volovo already have some great AWD platforms. Just seems like GM will be late to the party with good cars that will linger in the market way longer than they should.

Nothing has changed at GM. They are still late to market with any cars that matter. Yes they have pulled off some Halo cars (solstice/vette/ssr) Didnt work for plymouth. Same old GM.

 

So here how I see this shaking out.
Mustang 300 hp 26k (are they nuts)
Hundai pony 350 hp 23k (youll need the waranty)
Challenger 350 hp 28k (always overpriced)
Camaro 400 hp 25k (hopefully)
Hands down, everybody buys a Camaro.

 

WOW. That is just unacceptable.

This is all very true. Something has to give at GM. This is just unbelievable. All of these cool new products that GM needs to survive are coming out way too late to the party. By the time GM has turned around, everyone will have turned 3 ore 4 times. The problem isn't future product. It is getting that future product to the present in a timely fashion.

 

You list is not a realistic one.

First off, in just a few years the Mustang is getting a power bump, although to how much I know not. I can't see the Hyundai coming out with a 350hp engine in their base v8 car. Maybe they will surprise us, but I don't see this happening.
I really, really doubt our base v8 Camaro will be making 400hp, way too close to the Vette at that price point, not to mention how many of these new Camaros will be wrapped around trees and telephone poles.
I can easily see the Challenger and the Camaro being extremely close and competitive in hp figures. The Hemi is very similiar in design to the LS series motors. I can't imagine it being a very expensive engine to build, not to mention how many cars and trucks they have put it in across all of their brands to help absorb the cost. No, I do not think the Challenger will be overpriced. Nothing else at Chrysler seems to be (except for maybe the Crossfire.)

 

Its just a guesstimate, who know when this stuff will hit the streets.
I'm just going off what I see right now.

10 - 15 hp doesnt count, it needs cubes!!
They want to be a contender, it will be close.

Thats the kind of thinking that got GM to where it is today, and part of the reason Camaro is D.E.D.(phenetics )

DCX will make the SRT/8 the leader or they wont make it. I'm talkin' entry level.

I really have to be obsessed to spend 30k on anything. The only thing DCX has under 30 is the srt-4, but even my wife cant be talked into a 4 door.

Whew, I hate defending my opinoins.

 

There is more "excitement" at a Subaru dealer than at Pontiac and Chevy. (Im mean the bred and butter cars) Every car/truck they sell now has a turbo/manual trans option with the exception of that new SUV thing. Hell, the Forester has 230HP, AWD and comes in at 3350 lbs and runs mid 14s. Its classified as a small truck for heavens sake. They turned down the trailblazer platform to make there truck, but it was good enough for Saab? I love my Camaro, I love Vettes and I even Like the SSR. None of them our every day drivers. I hope the Solstice and sky sell well and spawn a affordable, chaep fun Sunfire replacement.

GM needs to Downsize.

Caddy
Hummer
Chevy
Saturn or Pontiac....

Thats it....... Dump GMC, Saturn or Pontiac, SAAB now that its just another Pontiac and Buick and what ever intrest it has in Fiat ect...