Maybe I wasnt clear but that was my point. Cobalt should of come with a turbo is what I said and you're backing me up on that, which is good. Cobalts are hard to tune and minor changes screw up the calibration because GM decided to lock up the PCM or obstruct the aftermarket from getting in there as I mentioned but not into detail, not acceptable at all. The Cobalt SS is also on average .5-1.0 seconds slower through the 1/4 mile that the SRT-4. The SS is a great car and all around better than the SRT-4 hands down, but it just needs a turbo.

 

Not including the SSR, (is it even an SS?), which will be dead soon....


Cobalt is the only SS that you can buy with a manual trans. That really bugs me.

 

I'm not John Colletti or his replacement. But I can at least appreciate two very honest good efforts than a lot of half thought half assed attempts like some of the SS lineup is.
To their credit SVT has not created a dog SVT product in my book since the Contour. And the rumored stuff (SVT Fusion, and SVT Focus) seem pretty solid. Even though they are missing some good markets(like making an SVT Vic or Marauder with a supercharged 4.6 and the PI package all rolled into one). Everybody can name at least one or two SS product that are flat embarassments to the name plate.

I didn't forget about them. I noted the price difference but for what you are getting I think it's justified. There is absolutely ZERO reason the "SS" Impala and Monte should be running roughly around what the R/T Dodges are running. If this is SS vs SRT that is just sad.

Very likely will have more power. But one thing to think about. The EVO VIII weighs like 3200 lbs and it's got more than enough umph to it to slap down some serious speed. A similar weight AWD turbo World engine powered Calibur will likely be in VIII performance levels I'd wager.
And you'd better put a paper bag on your head.

Must be a vastly different market up there in Canada then. I've seen maybe...4-5 SS Silverados in Dallas. And I make a habit to LOOK for them. And this is NOT an exageration. I see SRT-10s fairly regularly but that's neither here nor there honestly. The fact that the Silverado was a joke performance was is the story here. I mean the thing barely will put a standard Ram in its place. That is unforgivable.
I mean I can buy the price difference arguement WHEN the two competitors are remotely close in performance but the SS and SRT variants many times are not.

When...when...when...that's all we are hearing out of the GM camp. I'm tired of when.

I didn't think this was the debate about who had the most marketable family cars. I thought the SS was supposed to stand for something MORE than that. Nix that...not I thought. I KNOW it should stand for something more than that.

 

Sucks A$$.

 

OH. MY. GOD.

You think the SVT Contour was a dog?

PLEASE....tell me why?

 

Granted this is coming from a place of bias and misinfo maybe but I rode in one once and it just didn't seem like it lived up to it's potential. Handled well enough but I wasn't overly impressed. Maybe I should have ridden with somebody a little more willing to push it to the edge.

 

Never said you were John Colleti. I admired SVT. The Contour and Focus got great reviews and were very fun to drive. This is much like the current SS lineup.


And I don't need a paper bag cause I'd never drive an ugly Cailbre. Those clutches won't last long when they drop them at 5K---the only advantage of perfromance AWD is on the launch--and you'll pay for it.



Look at the badge and stripe jobs that really didn't deserve the SS badge. 454SS truck, wasn't paticulary fast and couldn't handle. 83-88 Monte SS, same. The 01-04 NA 3800 Monte---its a crusier plain and simple.

The new SS cars are not stripe and badge jobs by any stretch. But unless they all pack 500hp, cost over $40K they are not good enough
90% of the 60's SS were pretty slow.

I am for affordable perfromance. All the SS models deliver that.

Not to an extreme degree but they do none the less. If your rich I guess the super high dollar/ultra high hp stuff is for you. My 2.4L SS runs lows 15s and has the same suspension as the ION Redline does, so it can handle too.

Good day to you sir--you say tomatoe and I say Tomato--

 

Exactly my point. They don't all need LS7's, or twin turbo's, but give'em some comparable power to similar models in their class, and sport mechanicals. Standards, tight chassis', low pro wheel/tires, ground-fx etc, sport: gage pkgs, steering wheel, shifter, pedals, graphics etc...