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Old Dec 6, 2005 | 10:08 PM
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Holden set to design a future performance car for US

AN ALL-NEW Monaro coupe could be designed in Australia after Holden’s design director Tony Stolfo yesterday confirmed that a future performance vehicle for North America was on the agenda of an expanded Port Melbourne design studio.

Speaking at a news conference announcing that Holden’s design centre would assume key global roles in designing and engineering General Motors vehicles outside Australia, Mr Stolfo also said the company could be involved in designing a new hatchback for the Asia-Pacific region.

“We’ve certainly done some non-Holden design before now, but it’s always been ad hoc – from today, that capability becomes part of GM Design’s DNA,” he said. “It means that we can potentially apply our skills to any GM brand in the world – (and) it means a future performance vehicle for North America or a hatchback for Asia-Pacific could be partly or wholly designed right here in Port Melbourne.”

Holden currently ships the VZ Commodorebased Monaro to the United States as a Pontiac GTO and will continue to do so for an indefinite period. No decision has been made on whether a new-generation Monaro, which would most likely be built upon the forthcoming VE Commodore’s Zeta architecture, will be produced either in Australia or the United States.

To accelerate the growing importance of the Holden design group, GM Holden will add another 69 designers to its team, lifting numbers from 107 to 176. In doing so, it will become the third largest design facility in GM’s global empire behind its Detroit (US) and Russelsheim (Germany) centres.

GM vice-president global design, Ed Welburn, was also in Melbourne yesterday. “This decision means the coming of age for GM Holden Design, its place in the GM design world and frankly, the world of design in general,” he said. “Holden has earned its place at the table through delivering internationally successful production cars as well as breathtaking concept cars over the past few years.”

Mr Welburn said Holden offered strategic benefits as it would work with the other key centres in the US and Europe to deliver around the-clock design potential. Mr Stolfo said Holden would seek to recruit technical experts in each of seven key disciplines–technical design, colour and trim, creative design, digital sculpting, modelling and fabrication, design quality and visualisation.

“This takes GM Holden Design to a new level. We’re no longer just a GM Holden design team, we’re part of a global design team,” he said. “It’s just amazing to think about what that says about this country’s creativity. From today, it says we can create cars for just about anyone, anywhere.”

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Old Dec 6, 2005 | 10:17 PM
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that's terrifi news for Holden! good to see the rest of the world is realizing how incredible some of Holden's designs have been over the years.
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 10:43 PM
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that's terrifi news for Holden! good to see the rest of the world is realizing how incredible some of Holden's designs have been over the years.
lol i dont still havent realized how incredible it is... the GTO looks like a civic on steriods... nothing too impresive...

and with the ls1 it put down the same figures as an lt1... so... i... dont... really see the benifit to holden when GMNA Performance seems to be putting out a vehicle like the z06 that is one of the worlds fastest cars...
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 10:52 PM
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google some of Holden's concept cars and current designs and compare them to what we get here. one of my best friends is an Aussie, and after she went back down there to live for awhile she was sending me pics some of the cars they have down there. i was jealous.....
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 11:39 PM
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lol i dont still havent realized how incredible it is... the GTO looks like a civic on steriods... nothing too impresive...

and with the ls1 it put down the same figures as an lt1... so... i... dont... really see the benifit to holden when GMNA Performance seems to be putting out a vehicle like the z06 that is one of the worlds fastest cars...
Now really people who live in glass houses... You have, err..., the Monte Carlo which isn't really better now is it? What else does GM have in the US that is remotely considered a rival to Mustang and 300C (except Corvette)?

Looks aside, GTO is flying the muscle car flag for GM... the rest of the vehicles in GM's line up are NASCAR FWD wannabes. And that's being kind!!!
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 11:44 PM
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Now really people who live in glass houses... You have, err..., the Monte Carlo which isn't really better now is it? What else does GM have in the US that is remotely considered a rival to Mustang and 300C (except Corvette)?

Looks aside, GTO is flying the muscle car flag for GM... the rest of the vehicles in GM's line up are NASCAR FWD wannabes. And that's being kind!!!
the camaro at its end was twice the perfromance machine the GTO is... at least in my opinion and that was on a basically 20 year old chassis...

i think GMNA can make an awesome car if they think there is a market for it... but they didnt think there was a market for it... its just GMNA is blind, not stupid
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 01:57 AM
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the camaro at its end was twice the perfromance machine the GTO is... at least in my opinion and that was on a basically 20 year old chassis...
Uhh, you really should test drive an LS-2 GTO.
Stock for stock it out accelerates my previous SS. The suspension is on par with an F-body, it's got more body roll though. Thicker sway bars, wider tires and I think it would give my previous car run for its money in the twisties. The goat has much better steering feedback and its IRS really keeps that rear planted during cornering.

I still give the performance nod to the LS-1 F-bods but not by much.
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 02:04 AM
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Uhh, you really should test drive an LS-2 GTO.
Stock for stock it out accelerates my previous SS. The suspension is on par with an F-body, it's got more body roll though. Thicker sway bars, wider tires and I think it would give my previous car run for its money in the twisties. The goat has much better steering feedback and its IRS really keeps that rear planted during cornering.

I still give the performance nod to the LS-1 F-bods but not by much.
i'm just trying to say its nothing GMNA couldnt have done... sooo why is it good news that Holden is given the project?
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 08:41 AM
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Perhaps because we could actually see product in 2 to 3 years instead of 6 to 8 years...
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 09:02 AM
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lol i dont still havent realized how incredible it is... the GTO looks like a civic on steriods... nothing too impresive...

and with the ls1 it put down the same figures as an lt1... so... i... dont... really see the benifit to holden when GMNA Performance seems to be putting out a vehicle like the z06 that is one of the worlds fastest cars...
Umm lets see the GTO was based on the Monaro which came out in like 2000 and that was based on VT which came out in like 97 of course it will look dated the thing is basically unchanged in a major fashion since then.
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 09:06 AM
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When the say "future performance vehicle for North America", I'm not so sure they're referring to GTO.
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Perhaps because we could actually see product in 2 to 3 years instead of 6 to 8 years...
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 04:55 PM
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When the say "future performance vehicle for North America", I'm not so sure they're referring to GTO.

Well, I can't at this point in time imagine a "performance" vehicle for Buick. I don't believe that is Buick's target demographics. Cadillac certainly doesn't need it. Saturn, I doubt it. They seem to be leaning towards a more European flair with the Aura and Sky. I doubt the "Camaro" will coming from Holden. So the logical choice to me would be a Pontiac performance car. Since the current GTO is already a Holden car, and Lutz in the past has stated the next gen GTO would be designed by Holden. So.. I say it's a Pontiac GTO.
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by NikiVee
I doubt the "Camaro" will coming from Holden.

Old Dec 7, 2005 | 05:08 PM
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the camaro at its end was twice the perfromance machine the GTO is... at least in my opinion and that was on a basically 20 year old chassis...
You GOTTA be kidding me?!

Have you even at least sat in a GTO or checked out it's performance figures?

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i'm just trying to say its nothing GMNA couldnt have done...
No cost effective chassis. GMNA couldn't have done a GTO.

.. sooo why is it good news that Holden is given the project?
Holden has the only GM engineers who work on a RWD chassis daily, and have done so for many, many years. Corvette had only a few engineers, the B-body was engineered in the middle 70s, and the F-body was done in the late 70s (using the late 60s engineered Vega as a starting point). The 4th gen was simply structural improvements to the existing chassis.


GMNA's engineers are also overtaxed. If you wanted to wait till they get a chance to do a RWD chassis, we would not have a Camaro.

Why do you think everything about Camaro and Chevy's RWD sedan is on the fast track since Holden finished work on the VE?



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