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Old Aug 25, 2004 | 06:52 PM
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Hemi shortage.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5821333/
Old Aug 25, 2004 | 07:49 PM
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The marketing hype is paying off!
Old Aug 25, 2004 | 08:51 PM
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Wow, MSNBC sure is worried about fuel economy. It seems that that was the focus of the article as much as the Hemi "shortage" was.
Old Aug 25, 2004 | 09:12 PM
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yet more liberal biased news. Have to bash the old traditional V8 because of lousy gas mileage, and the impact on our oil consuption, and a feared gasoline shortage and record gas prices.
They also quoted gas mileage numbers for the high peformence 6.1 V8, which will make up a small number of the Hemi's sold in cars. The 5.7 gets 17 city/25 highway, much better than the numbers MSNBC quoted. If an uninformed person is reading through this article, they will more than likely assume that all of the Hemi's get 14 city/19 highway and become misinformed. The 5.7 Hemi is actually fuel efficent for a V8 pushing 2 tons of steel.

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Old Aug 26, 2004 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by AronZ28
yet more liberal biased news...
Good grief, here we go with this retarded "Liberal" label again.

I guess the so called "conservatives" raising hell about Janet Jackson's t*t flash at the Super Bowl and harassing Howard Stern and the companies that carry him is better?
Old Aug 26, 2004 | 11:09 AM
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I agree with ya guionM,

Why not simply substitute conservative or liberal with assclown? That way you can express annoyance & no one gets hurt...
Old Aug 26, 2004 | 11:38 AM
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I agree with ya guionM,

Why not simply substitute conservative or liberal with assclown? That way you can express annoyance & no one gets hurt...


now back on track...Glad to hear that about the Hemi V8. That fact that 47% of 300 sales are 340HP Hemi's is a slap in the face to all those Mustang fans that justify they lame 260HP 4.6L by saying "well... too much HP killed the Camaro"
Old Aug 26, 2004 | 12:20 PM
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Well, I don't care much for Janet Jackson's boobies or Howard Stern's psychological problems, thus I'd rather not see them (if possible). However, that aside...there's a guy getting 29 mpg out of his Magnum RT. He's got pics to prove it. That's not bad for a 340 hp car that weighs so much (granted weight isn't that big a deal once you're moving). I think the [insert slander here] crowd just don't like V8's. For that matter the tree huggers don't like 4 cylinder Subarus either and protested the Outback earlier this year.

While some Mustang fans blame hp for Camaro's death, some of us know it was more than that. We also know that 340 hp Hemi's are selling a lot by name and not hp, along with other reasons like styling. So to say that the 300C's sales is "a slap in the face to all those Mustang fans that justify they lame 260HP 4.6L by saying 'well... too much HP killed the Camaro'" is a little off. I don't think it's hp that's selling those cars, I think it's the styling and the name along with the hp (in that order).
Old Aug 26, 2004 | 01:20 PM
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I'm a Chrysler fan (though I've never owned one), I do have to admit, Chrysler getting 19 mpg on the highway with a 6.1 "super" Hemi that puts out slightly better torque (and close to the same horsepower) as an LS2 that's likely to run in the upper 20s in highway mileage in a CTSv is pretty bad.
Old Aug 26, 2004 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by AronZ28
If an uninformed person is reading through this article, they will more than likely assume that all of the Hemi's get 14 city/19 highway and become misinformed.

The fuel economy of the Hemis is far from great -- the 6.1 liter engine featured on a high performance version of the 300C gets about 14 miles per gallon in city driving and 19 mpg on the highway --
...how is that going to lead to somebody being misinformed again? They don't say "ALL" hemi's get that low, they said 6.1 Hemi's do, right there in plain print. I think your just looking for a reason to bitch about the article since it actually brings up facts on gas milage :blah:
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there's a guy getting 29 mpg out of his Magnum RT. He's got pics to prove it.
Pictures or not, it is still VERY easy to "doctor" that up. I'm assuming he has a picture of his MPG on his information console, which, with the click ofthe button while your driving down the road you can reset. You get the best gas milage when your car is coasting, who is to say he didn't just reset the gas milage gauge, coast while pulling out the camera to take a picture? I SERIOUSLY doubt he's getting 29 mpg in his Magnum RT unless 99% of his driving consists of uninterupted (few stoplights and stopsigns, no traffic jams, etc...) 45 MPH commute. Because the Magnum RT can BARELY, if ever, see 29 MPG while just maintaining speed at anything above 50+ MPH. Hell, my moms new Taurus 3.0 can barely see that while just maintaining speed at 45 MPH. And that is beyond being a factory freak if that is true too...thats the equavilant of an LS1 getting 400+ HP off the shelf.

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Old Aug 26, 2004 | 02:38 PM
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Well, after reading his story and seeing his pics, he seems on the level. The pics don't look doctored. If YOU don't want to believe it, I'm OK with that
Old Aug 26, 2004 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Meccadeth
...how is that going to lead to somebody being misinformed again? They don't say "ALL" hemi's get that low, they said 6.1 Hemi's do, right there in plain print. I think your just looking for a reason to bitch about the article since it actually brings up facts on gas milage :blah:
The same way it's going to lead people to believe that Magnums get 29 mph from that link.

You are observant, and so are most people here, to note that it's referring to 6.1L Hemi. Then I will tell this to my friend who has NOT seen the article, and maybe he will be a little tired from work and will not remember that I was specifically referring to 6.1L. He will pass the story as Hemi getting bad fuel milage to his 3 friends, and so on and so on... Given the "imperfection" of human brain and our natural curiousity for sensational material, it's VERY likely to get out of hand.
Old Aug 26, 2004 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PaperTarget
Well, after reading his story and seeing his pics, he seems on the level. The pics don't look doctored. If YOU don't want to believe it, I'm OK with that
I'm not saying he doctored the actual picture, I think he doctored the actual fuel consumption read out by resetting it and taking a picture of it while it was maintaining speed. Either that or it is an EXTREME factory freak. Linky?
Old Aug 26, 2004 | 03:02 PM
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Old Aug 26, 2004 | 03:04 PM
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I can go home and take a picture of myself sitting in traffic or on the highway (take your pick) getting 95mpg in my folks' supercharged Grand Prix...

You have a hard time getting an ls1 vette with a manual to get 29mpg on the highway. Weight isnt so much an issue as the aerodynamic drag and rolling resistance- which the Magnum has in droves compared to a C5. And knowing that the 5.7L hemi is close in design I guess I *might* see that as possible... but VERY rare, and VERY hard to get.

Everyone I've talked to with a Hemi engine in the 300C/Magnum gets about 14/24 (but as high as one guy who said 20/26)... 3mpg is NOT easy to get. Also factory economy computers can be dead accurate or as far off as 2 or 3mpg. And that's on all cars. They arent the most accurate, and he used it. That 29 might have been a 26... which is still really good for that weight and car...

And he said he cruised 60-70, but the picture is taken at 50mph, and also he's on a full tank, which might mean he only went for a gallon or two, and when you fill up and start on the highway, it starts at 99mpg and starts to fall over the next 50 miles... You decide what to believe.

And BTW - if I wanted a family hauler right now, I'd buy a wagon (hate minivans and SUV's) so it'd have to be a Magnum R/T. The thing is wicked, just not the best on gas... but I'm fine with that.

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