GM is looking into the development of more boosted V6s - and while alpha was *originally* going to top out with a V6 (then a boosted V6), as alpha evolves a V8 might get shoved in there, which I am not entirely a fan of. I'd rather see Camaro on Zeta with a V8 and get a smaller Chevy "Alpha" with a 350hp boosted V6 that weighs a lot less than the G8 did.

Will the Gen V Camaro be around to get a Gen V V8? Only time will tell!

 

The obvious missing link seems to be CTS.

A new CTS must be built and IS being built. It will eiterh come off of the rumored Alpha+ or Sigma.

By the time the new CTS rolls out, maybe most of Sigma's core cost will be amortized and allow for a Camaro sibling...

(It's a strecth, I know. But ALL of this is speculation at this point)

As for Alpha... Well, I'd LOVE to see a light platform that is built around 4s and 6ers (especially if they're boosted) However, I'm a V8 man and I will not be buying another Camaro unless it has a V8. And while i realize that GM doesn't revolve around me, that's fine. I can take my $$$ and loyalty and friends elsewhere. (There are a lot of us that want the OPTION of a V8)

 

Well there is a brand new V8 Camaro out there right now.

I try not to get too caught up in the will it or won't it regarding Alpha, Alpha+, etc.

I do know that the lightest four seater available with over 400 lb ft of torque is a Camaro. Everything else with over 400 lb ft is heavier or is a 2 seater. So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that there will have to be a version of Alpha that is not designed to take a 6.2L GenV.

If there can be two or three versions of Alpha, one of which takes a 6.2 and gets built as a Camaro, that's great. If it's Zeta3 or Zeta4, that's okay too.

 

Alpha is a completely new from the ground up architecture. It has nothing to do with Zeta.

I've heard that Alpha is now being package protected to accommodate a V8, but it is of yet undecided if the 6th gen Camaro will have one. Send your cards and letters in folks.
The Cadillac ATS sedan and coupe (the first Alphas), won't - 4's and 6's only.

Bryan Nesbitt confirmed today that a new CTS is already in developement, and will be all new. Alpha (+) ?

 

Boosted V6's are currently way on the back burner at GM.


The 5th gen may still be around when the Gen V V8 comes out, but I don't think you'll see anything beyond a Gen IV smallblock in it.

 

Boosted V6's may be on the back burner (I would say between burners), but they are basically done. Fuel mapping and other final tuning can happen pretty quickly. The question is whether they took the engines off the durability dynos before completion.

I think i heard somewhere that the've got about .5L of displacement left in the HFV6. Can this gen make it to 400hp n/a?

 

The Alpha (+) is (reasonable) speculation, right?

I did read that the next CTS is supposed to be a little smaller and lighter than the current one. That's all good -- especially the lighter part.

 

From what I've read, Guy is correct in that Alpha isn't intended (at least initially) to accommodate a V8. I really wouldn't put too much faith into what anybody else says - Guy is rarely wrong.

Guy, interesting (and somewhat disappointing) news about the end of the RWD Falcon. Now there's a scoop!

 

The puzzle pieces have actually been out there for a while. When GRWD was cancelled, that was the final nail. Maybe things will change with time. Maybe Ford will decide to stretch D2C out to make a sedan

 

I hope that winkie means something.

I was thinking about the D2C sedan recently. If Ford can do the magic they have done with the Mustang's live axle on a longer sedan I believe they can find a good niche market. Perhaps call it Falcon?

 

The CTS is supposed to shrink, as is the new Commodore. How much both will shed is anybody's guess. If they both shrank and equal amount in size and weight - which do we think would be better for a new Camaro? How about a regular Chevy Sedan?

Boosted V6's aside, I've heard about many different engines that have "possibly" crossed those dynos at GM. Some excite me more than others.

 

And thanks to the economy, I can no longer take advantage of that. So here's to Alpha :cheers:

That's all well and good for Cadillac, because they'll have the CTS and/or XTS to accomodate V8 buyers.

 

I won't believe the Alpha plus...there are not many platforms that drow and shrink with ease..especially compact to midsized.

 

I've heard the same. Turbo V6 development is either done or nearly done. What remains is the decision to move forward.

Alpha (+) is at this point, abit more than just speculation I think.

 

It was a joke because D2C was a shrunk down DEW95 (to put it very plainly). I don't think there is a chance in Hades that Ford will make a live axle sedan.