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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 03:19 PM
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H3 vs competitors in Motor Trend comparo

The H3 came in last, sadly. I always flip to the results first. Whenever I read something like this, I always think "magazine's bias, it's all bull**** and I'm not going to read into it." Then I read the technical specs. first of all, the H3's interior is wayyyy nicer and is a tremendous improvement on GM's part. However...

Torque:
Hummer: 225
Jeep: 235
Nissan: 284
Toyota: 278

1/4 mile
Hummer: 17.9@76.9
Jeep: 16.9@79.3
Nissan: 15.8@85.7
Toyota: 16.0@86.4

Ultimately, the H3 did the best offroad. And these things are probably insignificant to most people right? 18 in the 1/4 mile is pretty bad, though.

But people always talk about GM being the better bargain. Well...

Base/As tested price:
Hummer: 29,500/37,920
Jeep: 25,100/27,550
Nissan: 27,755/29,325
Toyota: 23,905/29,360

The Hummer is 8500+ dollars more than the next expensive competitor of SUVs in its class.
Obviously I prepare to get flamed for this, so it won't surprise me. But IMO they need to try a bit harder to achieve success. The CTS-V smoked the M3.
The Corvette owned the 911 and a bunch of 911 readers got all upset about it. GM obviously KNOWS HOW to make amazing vehicles with unrivaled power, at a bargain in comparison. So what gives?
Old Apr 1, 2006 | 04:26 PM
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The Hummer came in last, that doesn't surprise me.
Old Apr 1, 2006 | 04:47 PM
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The H3 is a sore spot with me. It has great looks & a decent size, but.....

.....it weighs 4,700 pounds
.....it's powered by a 4 cylinder.. plus 1 piston
.....it has less horsepower than a Rav4
.....it has less torque than avalable in a Jeep Wrangler or Ford Ranger
.....it costs $29K base, and runs up to nearly 40 large.

Another strike.

Next up, H4.
Old Apr 1, 2006 | 05:34 PM
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I agree, it needs more power. But really, the people who are gonna buy this are looking for more looks and status recognition than anything. JMHO.
Old Apr 1, 2006 | 05:42 PM
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Not surprising at all. I don't think that Comparo will hurt it though. Those things are "it" cars for trendy So CA families. 1/4 times, HP/TRQ, $$, mpg don't mean much to them. It won't break any sales records but I'd expect Hummer to sell a few thousand more than the H2.

What is the mpg for those things anyway?
Old Apr 1, 2006 | 06:54 PM
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So do you think anyone in GM's higher ups is wishing they'd listened to engineers who wanted a wider, better H3? Maybe they'll wish harder some time next year when sales take a dive and they're spending big on incentives to get them off the lots.
Old Apr 1, 2006 | 06:58 PM
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Give it a V8 and it'd probably be best in class. Possibility?
Old Apr 1, 2006 | 08:25 PM
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The SSr's old aluminum block 5.3L would be be nice for that. Or even better, a performance version with the 6.2L from the Escalade.
Old Apr 2, 2006 | 12:52 AM
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It doesn't need a V8 - that would just compromise its eco-friendly Hummer image. Instead, GM should give it a decent 6. The inline 6 from the Trailblazer might do the trick.
Old Apr 2, 2006 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by dav305z
It doesn't need a V8 - that would just compromise its eco-friendly Hummer image.
Old Apr 2, 2006 | 08:44 AM
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It came in 3rd place in the Car & Driver issue.

It is a lot more upscale when compared to a Liberty. I see the H3 as more of a Grand Cherokee type of vehicle. It just needs a V8 like the GC. They should keep the price the same too when they dump the I5.

The lbs. to torque ratio is almost the same as a Cadillac STS with an Ecotec
Old Apr 2, 2006 | 10:01 AM
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its number 1 problem is its weight. I am still trying to figure out how it got that heavy. Its #2 problem is the engine. it needs at least 260 ftlbs. when i drove it at ASIM it seemed very underpowered.
Old Apr 2, 2006 | 11:44 AM
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The powertrain in the H3 is inexcusable.

I really think it is the only significant problem with the vehicle.... but it's a huge problem.
Old Apr 2, 2006 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 0toinsanein5.4sec
its number 1 problem is its weight. I am still trying to figure out how it got that heavy. Its #2 problem is the engine. it needs at least 260 ftlbs. when i drove it at ASIM it seemed very underpowered.
Exactly how I felt last year when I drove in into the Hummer dealer to see if I would replace my '01 Grand Cherokee Limited with the H3. I walked away thinking that it wasn't worth ponying up the extra dough for the H3.

The GC has 295ftlbs of TQ, and it's what I like about the 4.7 V8 in the Jeep; I don't find the 235HP an issue since I don't wind out the Jeep in acceleration. The TQ sure is nice to get going and merge safely with traffic. The H3 was downright dangerous to me during the test drive I had in that respect.

The H3 certainly was a nice enough product that I actually considered trading in the Jeep for, but at the end of the day, the lack of a V8 was the only show-stopper for me.
Old Apr 2, 2006 | 12:35 PM
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I think the truck is the best looking, the Toyota's cool but sort of ugly. (why the f*cking hell does it need 3 windshield wipers?!)
IMO with the TB I6 like somebody said and shave some $$$ off the price, it would be a lot more competitive. Maybe put it on a diet, too. This Hummer has real potential for success.



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