Any reason for them not to charge an arm and a leg for it? Seems like they can pretty much charge what they want for the fifth gen and people continue to eat it up without any special pricing.

 

To be perfectly honest, I don't really care if GM makes the Z/28 or not. I mean, it is pretty cool to have a car that can compete with the GT500, but both cars are going to be very limited and way out of the price range of myself and the vast majority of the population. So many people are complaining about how the Z/28 is too heavy and whatnot but who cares? It is not like you were going to buy one anyway. Hell, the 2SS/RS I build for myself was $38,000 which is pretty pricey. Once you hit $50,000+, it gets silly. That is easily Corvette territory. I don't know. I guess I don't get it?

 

I would have bought one....

 

Well at least you don't have to suffer through the bitter disappointment that Terminator guys had to, alot of folks were figuring the GT500 would come in at an inflation adjusted price for about what the Termi sold for.

Then there were the ADMs that really drove the price up and now alot of people in the Mustang community somehow think that chopping Shelby out of the equation and calling the car an SVT Cobra will somehow reduce the price going forward

 

I'm expecting Z28 to upgrade more than just the engine. At the very least, wider wheels and tires (and better tires -- Michelins instead of Pirellis), bigger brakes (I expect rotor diameter to stay the same, but a bigger caliper and a thicker rotor). There will be some other differences, but I consider most of them to be tuning differences and therefore not inherently more expensive.

 

Quick update....

Yesterday I happened to see the video of my drive which included in-car data.

I kissed 100 mph, on the short course we used at the ACC. I also was in excess of .9 G on some corners. The car was so composed, with more left to give. As easy as driving to the grocery store. Great job GM on this fantastic car!!!

Gotta go......

 

I would be disappointed if GM didn't do as JakeRobb says, it would be a rather weak effort to just put in a bigger engine.

 

Dunno about the brakes, but it is pretty clear in the development car pics that the car has different (and wider) tires.

It could be that the giant 14" Brembos are still up to the task for a Z/28. If that is the case, I'd rather they leave them alone rather than go larger, unless the upgraded offering is also lighter (or at least no heavier).

 

They probably just require a pad change rather than upsizing the brakes themselves.

 

I feel like a Z28 should be able to out-brake a stock Mustang GT. Since an SS can't, and since we're adding weight with the supercharger, and since I don't think the tires will be enough to make up the difference, I am assuming that we'll see even better brakes. If we're really lucky, there will be an extra-cost option for carbon-ceramic brakes.

 

man you got your video already??? i want mine!

 

Assuming the current brakes are strong enough to induce an ABS event during a panic stop in the dry, then the stopping distances are traction limited, not brakeforce limited. I think that is the case for most modern cars, but I haven't seen a panic stop video of a 2010 SS, so I can't say for sure.

Once you get past the point of the max grip available from the tires, going bigger on brakes really only offers better heat dissipation / fade resistance, not increased stopping power. When Car and Driver tested the V6 and V8 Camaro and Mustang head to head, the V6 cars both had shorter braking distances than their V8 brothers. Both the GT and the SS weighed 60 lbs (i.e. not much) more than their little brothers, and both had the bigger brakes. The Mustang on 255s does enjoy a slightly larger contact patch up front (where most of the braking happens) than does the Camaro on 245s, though on the other hand, the Camaro distributes its weight a little more evenly front to rear (at least statically).

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...07775a541f.pdf

Of course, if the tire / surface friction is so stout that the wheels just won't lock even under max effort braking, then a brake upgrade might matter. Since the Z/28 will be getting different tires (bigger, if nothing else), maybe that will be the case. I rather doubt it, though. I'd be shocked if the brakes on the SS are not capable of locking up the wheels if the ABS fuse were pulled.

I wouldn't be surprised if the brakes do get a bit bigger simply because a premium model is expected to get bigger brakes, but I'd rather not see a weight gain for no functional reason... The GT500 brakes are the same size as those of the GT equipped w/ Brembo package.

 

Who says the SS cant out brake the GT? http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...test_data.htmlThis motor trend article shows the SS stops from 60-0 in 105 ft and the 2010 GT in 108. I found another article with a 2011 GT and it does it in 110, near as much makes no difference. I couldnt find data for 100-0, so perhaps the mustang is a little better there, but I'm really tired of people acting like the Camaro is some gargantuan, foul beast that is nowhere near the realm of the Mustangs performance. They're really quite similar. You may have a point about the added weight of the Z28's supercharger and other components, but the same arguement could be had for the GT500. How does it compare to a standard GT?

 

Car and Driver. I'm talking about performance on a road course, not isolated braking tests.

As noted above, I'm talking about road course performance. Isolated braking tests are not what I'm interested in. Car and Driver did a test of the SS, the 2011 GT, and something else (I'm drawing a blank on what it was, maybe Challenger). Anyway, they said that the SS's brakes showed noticeable fade.

 

In which article did they complain about fade? I didn't see it in a couple that I skimmed, and I've rarely seen fade as a complaint about the new Camaro SS in any reviews (Car and Driver or otherwise).

This is from the "Lightning Lap" test of the Camaro back in '09.

I'm not saying no reviewer has ever mentioned fade, but I would say that is not the norm. Of course, a heavier Z/28 would directionally cause more tendency to fade (in racetrack use) if using the same brakes. Still, I suspect the SS's brakes would be fine unless the car is intended to be an all-out track car (and maybe even in that scenario).