I didn't hide anything, I just listed them in order. Also remember weather, air temp, and brake temp can effect results so unless the cars are tested at the same time, results may vary. I used that R&T b/c it was the only other mag I had at the time.

Here are some #'s out of old motortrends. GTO was 120ft.

'03 Saab 93 2.0T = 126ft. (Jul. 03 Motortrend)
'04 Acura TSX = 124ft. (Jul. 03 Motortrend)
'03 Mustang Mach 1 = 120ft. (03 Motortrend)
'03 Lexus SC430 = 120ft. (Jul. 03 Motortrend)
'04 Audi S4 = 117ft. (Aug. 03 Motortrend)
'03 Cobra = 116ft. (Jun. 03 Motortrend)

GTO seems to be right in line with other respectable sport sedans and coupes. It also has the same breaking as the Mustang Mach 1.

 

Way to magazine race

Different years, most likely different tracks, different conditions.....
You can't even compare any numbers unless they were all gotten on the same day, same track, same hour, and even then it's questionable as the track might heat up and get more sticky.

Chris

 

Either redzed owns a Toyota dealer or wants to write for Car & Drivel.

 

Betcha' he's be all smiles and giggles if the Malibu wore a Toyota badge.....

According to him, GM should just surrender and close the plants....

 

1. Slapping a Toyota badge on a Malibu wouldn't accomplish much. Look what happened when they tried to sell the "Toyota" Cavalier in Japan.

2. I'm really sorry I don't own a Toyota dealership. My local Toyota dealer has a 90 day inventory turn-over rate, and historically moves more cars per month than the Ford dealer in the same town. (Well, it was a lousy Ford dealer!)

3. GM did surrender on the F-body. They allowed the F4 to die, and then they closed the plant. Now we have the partially engineered Aussie GTO as an overpriced replacement. If I point out the flaws, it's because the GTO is a serious flawed vehicle.

 

Of course, I could flip this on you and say "See what slapping the Chevy badge on the Corlla (Prizm) did"...

Prizm had tons of customer complaints... Corolla did not... mostly because of ignorant, under-informed consumer comments, not unlike many of the ones you are currently making in many threads.

 

If the the Chevy "Prison" had a less satisfactory record than the Corolla, it comes down to GM's efforts at marketing and service. My best guess is that Chevrolet/Geo dealers offered ham-fisted service, and GM accidentally marketed the car to a less-affluent demographic. Corollas seem to run forever in the hands of old geezers - or even Kabul taxi drivers.

 

Exactly how did GM drop the ball marketing and servicing Prizm?

This falls under the whole under-informed thing I mentioned. I hate to break it to you, but there are just as many bad imprt service departments as there are domestic... The dealerships are an "X" factor, because they are not owned by the manufacturer.

OMG!! THAT is a classic line... exactly how 'affluent' are Corolla buyers, anyway???

Again, it's because people are apparently more willing to accept problems with import cars than they are with domestics, or egos get in the way and they don't want to admit that the glorious imports can have problems too.

 

Amazing, you didn't bother using a Road & Track test result for the GTO. You had to look to Motortrend to prove you point.

December 2003 Road & Track

2004 GTO: 60-0mph in 132 ft.


April 1999 Road & Track

1999 Camaro SS: 60-0mph in 129 ft.

Using R&T test results, it's pretty obvious that the GTO can't outbrake the M3, the 350Z or a 5-year old Camaro.

 

1. Pontiac slaps a Toyota badge on the Vibe, calls it the Voltz, and sells it in Japan (the plant is just outside San Francisco in Fremont California). It does well as I understand. No, the Toyota Matrix isn't sold there.

2. Only one Ford dealer in your town??? .....naw, too easy.

3. You're 100% correct on GM surrendering on the F-body (hey, when someone's right, I'll admit it ). But I have yet to hear a honest & real issue from you on the GTO. Ironically, the one issue that GTO's distractors all mention without exception (it's looks) you never brought up.

I said this before, if you don't like the car, that's OK. But you've gone into hysterically funny and completely irrelevent and desparate extremes to justify your adversion to the car.

 

Amazing, once again you are doing a ridiculous comparison. The cars need to be tested on the same day at the same track by the same driver to be accurate to the degree you are after. Plus or minus 5 feet is a tight tolerance for tests conducted on different surfaces (or at least different surface conditions), likely different drivers, 5 years apart. A useful reference? Sure. But claiming that the 3 feet separating the Camaro from the GTO means the GTO is inferior is ludicrous. Now, if the difference were 20 feet, you might be onto something...

 

I don't have the R&T that is why I didn't use it.

If you want all the stats from the same Magazine then read my second stats post

'04 Pontiac GTO = = 120ft. (Dec. 03 Motortrend)
'03 Mustang Mach 1 = 120ft. (03 Motortrend)
'03 Lexus SC430 = 120ft. (Jul. 03 Motortrend)


GTO braking = Mach 1 braking & Lexus SC430 at 120ft.