I paid about $29,000 for my brand new GTO. I have heard that dodge is not negotiating on the sticker of the SRT-8

 

go drive both and you'll see why the MX-5 won.

 

Uh, 60 more hp? LS2 GTOs don't dyno 305 to 310 rwhp. Whats a stock GTO typically dyno? 335 to 350 rwhp ish? With a 490lb difference, I see no reason to believe an SRT-8 would clean up on an LS2 GTO. Popular hot rod put a crate LS1 a few years back on an engine dyno, and they got 402 hp out of it with the stock c5 exhaust manifolds. Did they have all of the engine accessories mounted up on the 6.1 Hemi? They didn't elaborate on the LS1 dyno, but I doubt they did for that, and somehow I doubt they did for the Hemi as well. If the SRT-8s are dynoing 365-370rwhp, that is definetly not underrated. Sorry, I still don't see one going 12.56 bone stock. The 03/04 Cobras dynoed in the same territory as the 6.1 Hemi, and the fastest I ever heard of one of them running was something like 12.42 driven by Evan Smith in MM&FF, and the Cobra has a almost a 600lb weight advantage over the Charger.

 

Over downunder, edited LS2s only dyno 350rwhp and that's on our DD chassis dynos which are typically 11% conservative compared to US Dynojets. The stock LS2s dyno anywhere between 300-330rwhp (DynoDynamics). Add the 11% difference, and the LS2's output is not far from the 360-370rwhp claimed for the Hemi 6.1L... but the GTO is some 300lb lighter.

I still love the 300C and SRT-8 but the way some of the members over at 300C forums are carrying on is sad. They're either gullible or the Hemi in question is a freak. I'm still inclined to believe the former statement is correct as the 1.8s 60-ft time is possible on semi-slicks, not road tyres. I could be wrong, though.

Anyway, it sounds like the driver is a drag strip demon judging from his garage collection (a 10s-130mph 2004 GTO turbo ) and I'm sure he would know a few tricks to get a stock car boogeying.

 

That 12.56@111.50 was done in 45deg. weather off a 1.89sec 60' at ATCO (60' above sea-level). Atypical track conditions to say the least.

 

Bah. I've never warmed to the Charger's looks... and I'm still waiting. The front end is just hideous, too truck-like. Kangaroo hip sides, weird roofline, and skinny 235 tires (on the RT) seal its doom as a possible future collector car. My GTO on the other hand...

 

GTO sucks, thought u guys knew =P

 

40 degree air has more oxygen than 59 degree air. It was probably dry air too, which also helps. Anyone know what the barometric pressure was there at ATCO yesterday. The conditions in the general area are probably on a website somewhere.

 

Look, the SRT was obviously a freak. Even the SRT guys were asking the owner to come down and do a voodoo dance on their cars so it would run the same way.

A 6.0 manual GTO is about a fair fight against the auto SRT.

Personally I'm waiting on the 2 door Charger though.

 

I would like to see that as well.


Yeah, I know, I still think 12.56 is quite a stretch though. Especially with a stock auto. On street tires.

 

I just traded in my CTS-V for a 300 SRT-8 yesterday and all I can say is the car was no freak. In the summer guys were touching the 12's with 2.1 60ft times and this guy was in the 1.8 range..you do the math. The HP is deffinately underrated in the 300.

 

People have said that, but where are the dyno graphs to show they are that underrated? So far I have heard they dyno around 360-370rwhp. Great, that is just what they are supposed to.

 

I can show you many 320rwhp dyno #'s from CTS-V's. You can put a car on any Dyno you want, but a track is the real test. The SRT-8's are putting up the better numbers stock for stock. Even if you put it up against a C6 Vette the SRT-8 is matching their 1/4 times and it is being done by multiple cars.

 

Is that why the guys over on the SRT-8 boards are calling the car that ran the 12.56 a freak? Because it has been done multiple times? I know CTS-Vs dyno low. I don't know why they do, but they do dyno that low alot. The 05 Goats dyno higher though. And just for the record, given competent drivers, a c6 will walk all over an SRT-8, torque management and all.

 

I'm not calling it anything. The argument is against a GTO. I beleive with the right conditions that his car could do that at a Jersey track on a cold day at sea level. Hell, you can go to Cecil county and pick up a tenth or 2 just because the track is slightly down hill. The question is if the SRT-8 is faster than the GTO and the answer is yes. There are too many people running theirs in the 12's, and they are not ringers from magazines. You do the math now.

4400#, 425HP car w/driver running 12's
4000# , 400HP car w/driver running 13's

Using the A4 goat for a more apples to apples comparison and using the general rule of 100#'s ='s 1-10th loss in the 1/4 I would say the SRT-8 is underated, the GTO is overrated, or a little of both.