Wrong

 

Yo man, you are interpretting things I have never said. I never said I think the SRT vehicles are a ripoff. I never brought into the discussion "what you could do with the money you save on the GTO." I didn't even bring the damn GTO into this discussion. My remark on the GTO was that it would be a good run. Maybe the GTO can't launch for sh*t, I don't know, I don't own one. From the raw stats though, a race where traction isn't an issue, I don't see the GTO getting its *** handed to it. That being said, my original remark, and read this carefully so I don't have to say it to you yet again, I am was doubtful of an SRT-8 running a 12.56 bone stock. Comprehend that. Maybe a freak did, in great conditions, but until everyone starts running those same times, I will be extremely suspicous of a run of the mill SRT-8 pulling this off.

Also, maybe you should do some research, but apparently you are wrong. This is the first thing I found when I google the torque management on the CTS-V, and I didn't look very hard. One of the guys in this thread was apparently pretty happy when he deleted the torque management from his car.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showth...43#post3670443

LS2 = electronic throttle = no reason for me to believe that the Cadillac has it absent, even though the Vette, GTO, and SSR (and most likely Trailblazer) all have torque management straight out the factory door. Especially when the Caddy is using the same tranny as the Vette, SSR, and GTO. Doesn't make much sense, does it?

*Edit - Here is some more info how my *** would have been in quite good shape if I were to bet it

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showth...que+management

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showth...que+management

 

http://stangbangers.com/01_Bullitt_Article2.htm

According to the article they ran the Bullitt at Raceway Park, and they ran an Fbody to compare it to, so it is most likey they ran the Fbody at raceway park, in the heat.

 

It was no act of god that I got my 05 GTO a few weeks ago for $29,000. Sticker and real world price are very different. You would be very hard pressed to get an SRT-8 below sticker right now so it has to be taken into consideration unless you have money to blow. And by the way, the current red tag price on a brand new GTO is $30,773.73

 

It's not 12.56 but it's still in the 12's.

http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/...ead.php?t=3309
http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/...ead.php?t=3337
http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/...ead.php?t=3365

 

I never said I didn't think they would run a 12. Just not a 12.56, at least definetly not the norm. Personally, if the Charger SRT-8 came with a six speed stick, I would be all over that car. Mopar doesn't play games with their performance models.

 

Ok, I just built an SRT-8 with the options that you listed and the price came out to $42,789. So the difference is a hair under $14,000. That is too much for what you get in my opinion.

 

Yep, it's pretty obvious you wrote this in a hurry. WAY wrong. You can get a new 05 GTO below $30k without even really trying. Take a look at the deals folks are posting over at ls1gto.com. As for the SRT8's... methinks you've got the regular Hemi-equipped cars confused with the SRT8's. You sir are way off base with this.
I believe the SRT8's are priced right for what you get (the dealer markups though... I'm not sure). Your point just makes it more clear how dangerous it is to try to compare such cars so directly with the GTO. But if just talking performance on a budget... it's obvious the GTO will come out the winner. As for all these doodads... (ewww! 20" rims... so GHETTO) many can be had in the aftermarket if a GTO buyer wants. The sunroof - Webasto, $1100. The DVD Nav - aftermarket too. Big PBR brakes - already got 'em. 25 more horses - just a set of headers and $150 install cost away. (rain sensing wipers? Want something to wipe your **** after going potty too?) Two more doors - if it must look like the Charger with its kangaroo hips, then no thanks. More cabin space - actually that's a mixed bag... the GTO has more front shoulder room, front hip room and rear head room. My GTO already has XM (Delphi Skyfi2, $80 on Amazon.com )

 

A quote from LS1 GTO forums...

And this quote from one of the above charger forums link...


So who and what do you believe? I know some people are not being completely up front.

Anyway there is a formula you could use to dispell a few myths...

See this link...

http://www.stealth316.com/2-calc-hp-et-mph.htm

ET = (weight/hp)^1/3 x 6.269

mph = (hp/weight)^1/3 x 230

hp = (mph / 230)^3 x weight (lbs)

hp = weight (lbs) / (ET / 6.269)^3

 

Heh, there are always two sides to every coin it seems.

I know what I believe. I believe that an LS2 GTO has a very good shot at a Charger SRT-8 in a straight line run. I am not some GTO humper either, this is just the conclusion I draw from the information I have provided myself with.

 

Wow, I have never seen you so obviously wrong ever before. Kind of shocking honestly. I've seen 3 brand new GTO's for ~30k(can't remember the last 3 digits), and that is that. SRT-8's are far more expensive.

Obviously the Hemi is underrated from the factory as you said. I don't know what is so hard to see about that.

 

One dynoed 375rwhp. If it is underrated, it is not by much. Any other evidence to suggest that it is? I would say it is advertised right about where it should be (maybe alittle under). With guys running high 12s with these cars, the power to weight ratio seems to back it up.

 

Well I don't know why the owner would want to run 96 octane gas if the Hemi is stock. Running higher octane gas doesn't get you more power but it does safeguard against knock... but the factory Hemis should be running pig rich (as are the LS1/LS2s)... there should be little likelihood of knock in a stocky. Given the weather was cool, there would be even less likelihood for knock. Unless, of course, there's more to the story...

I wouldn't put it past a few runners to test some aftermarket development stuff for the Hemi either. Anyway, who's to say the guy wasn't running a strap on chip to enhance spark and lean out mixures? That's stock, right?

 

Most high performance engines now-a-days gain about 10hp or so by running on the high octane stuff. The computer automatically retards/advances the timing to avoid knock. It can do more if it's running high octane. The old argument of if the manual says run 87 you dont get anything by running higher is no longer valid. Actually, some manuals state the power will increase.

 

I can't say anything for the Hemi, but the LS1 does not do this. Running anything more than 91 is a waste of time. People pick up power by advancing their timing and running 93 over on the East coast, where we can get 93 everywhere.