GTO performance numbers from MT.
Registered User
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 1,440
From: five-one-oh/nine-oh-nine
Originally posted by Ude-lose
Man you guys need to learn that skidpad numbers are solely reliant on tyre grip, is has about as much to do with actual handling as the 1/4mile does. Im pretty sure the US is the only country to base 'handling' on skidpad numbers. In Europe and Japan they actually take them around proper race tracks.
Didnt the Mclaren F1 only get 0.90 on the skidpad from one of the US mags?
Man you guys need to learn that skidpad numbers are solely reliant on tyre grip, is has about as much to do with actual handling as the 1/4mile does. Im pretty sure the US is the only country to base 'handling' on skidpad numbers. In Europe and Japan they actually take them around proper race tracks.
Didnt the Mclaren F1 only get 0.90 on the skidpad from one of the US mags?
secondly, are the australian roads really that f3cked up? i'd imagine most Monaros would stay in Metro areas where i'd also imagine the roads being at the least decent if not mirror smooth.
Registered User
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 358
From: AU
the stock suspension is more comliant - its more of a Grand Tourer - fast, and comfortable.
here is a monaro that's got factory suspension, but with aftermarket shocks and springs (bilstein & eibachs i think), it came 6th overall in the modern category amongst some good competition.
see it in action in the small vid - here
here is a monaro that's got factory suspension, but with aftermarket shocks and springs (bilstein & eibachs i think), it came 6th overall in the modern category amongst some good competition.
see it in action in the small vid - here
Last edited by Ude-lose; Oct 26, 2003 at 03:47 AM.
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 3,698
From: USA
One Pontiac mag got high 12s out of a 6 speed already. For some reason all the media GTOs are dumbed down with traction control and some weird computer program. The purple one we had in Bowling Green was because it was the only A4 in North America at the time.
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 737
From: eatontown nj united states
this car is going to have to make some serious power to get 12s stock.this ill have to see.hopefully GMHTP will have MR Smith behind the wheel of one of these cars to see what they can really do.
Registered User
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 358
From: AU
All I can say is "boys and girls, you better order them up quick-smart" because this car will not last for long once word gets out.
i think Lutz is a smart man, and possibly could achieve the impossible in getting import guys to drool over Domestic GM products.
check out this thread i found - http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/sh...5&pagenumber=1
i think Lutz is a smart man, and possibly could achieve the impossible in getting import guys to drool over Domestic GM products.
check out this thread i found - http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/sh...5&pagenumber=1
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 2,979
Originally posted by Ude-lose
check out this thread i found - http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/sh...5&pagenumber=1
check out this thread i found - http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/sh...5&pagenumber=1
Apart from a few reasoned individuals, the rest are tools.
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 3,121
From: Houston
Originally posted by Ude-lose
the stock suspension is more comliant - its more of a Grand Tourer - fast, and comfortable.
here is a monaro that's got factory suspension, but with aftermarket shocks and springs (bilstein & eibachs i think), it came 6th overall in the modern category amongst some good competition.
see it in action in the small vid - here
the stock suspension is more comliant - its more of a Grand Tourer - fast, and comfortable.
here is a monaro that's got factory suspension, but with aftermarket shocks and springs (bilstein & eibachs i think), it came 6th overall in the modern category amongst some good competition.
see it in action in the small vid - here
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 562
From: Mich.
Originally posted by guionM
Seems those predictions of it being about as quick as LS1 F-bodies were pretty much dead on, huh?
Seems those predictions of it being about as quick as LS1 F-bodies were pretty much dead on, huh?
Im certain it will get better times by a more "professional" driver.
MT got the same basic numbers for the 2001 Cobra and MACH1.But MM&FF with someone who knows how to drive got 13.13 for the MACH and 13.34 for the Cobra.Both stock.
Registered User
Joined: Nov 1999
Posts: 2,801
From: Nashville, TN
I thoroughly checked out the purple one in Bowling Green and I loved it, loved the interior too, and loved the feel from the driver's seat.
Its no f-body for sure, but that's not always a negative. Would be a GREAT alternative to a BMW M3 for quite a bit less cash.
Its no f-body for sure, but that's not always a negative. Would be a GREAT alternative to a BMW M3 for quite a bit less cash.
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 13,713
From: The Golden State
Originally posted by guess who
**cough-cough**As quick as a 2001 Cobra driven by MT's drivers**cough-cough**
**cough-cough**As quick as a 2001 Cobra driven by MT's drivers**cough-cough**
You caught that too, I see.
Originally posted by Chris 96 WS6
...Its no f-body for sure, but that's not always a negative. Would be a GREAT alternative to a BMW M3 for quite a bit less cash.
...Its no f-body for sure, but that's not always a negative. Would be a GREAT alternative to a BMW M3 for quite a bit less cash.
It's odd how many people look at this car as a Firebird replacement, while completely and ignoring the gapping whole left by the Grand Prix GTP coupe!
If anything, Pontiac should rename Grand Prix sedan's replacement Bonneville & the regular grade GTOs Grand Prix, while keeping the GTO name for the performance version. IMHO that would help the "confused".
Last edited by guionM; Oct 27, 2003 at 09:38 AM.
Registered User
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 764
From: Crystal Falls, MI USA
Originally posted by guess who
**cough-cough**As quick as a 2001 Cobra driven by MT's drivers**cough-cough**
Im certain it will get better times by a more "professional" driver.
MT got the same basic numbers for the 2001 Cobra and MACH1.But MM&FF with someone who knows how to drive got 13.13 for the MACH and 13.34 for the Cobra.Both stock.
**cough-cough**As quick as a 2001 Cobra driven by MT's drivers**cough-cough**
Im certain it will get better times by a more "professional" driver.
MT got the same basic numbers for the 2001 Cobra and MACH1.But MM&FF with someone who knows how to drive got 13.13 for the MACH and 13.34 for the Cobra.Both stock.
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 3,463
From: SoCal
I thought it would run 13.5 @ 105 so this is encouraging because its already close and its only the first test, off shore too. Obviously the LS1 in the GTO is truly more powerful because with the added weight the car still runs speeds like my Z did stock. My race weight was 3650. So this car with a race weight probably near 3900 is doing well!
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 13,713
From: The Golden State
This looks like a good place to post this picture:
http://wieck.com/public/*2PV_059667
http://wieck.com/public/*2PV_059665
http://wieck.com/public/*2PV_059666
(1st shipment of GTOs)
http://wieck.com/public/*2PV_059667
http://wieck.com/public/*2PV_059665
http://wieck.com/public/*2PV_059666
(1st shipment of GTOs)
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 562
From: Mich.
Originally posted by guionM
You caught that too, I see.
You caught that too, I see. Lo-o-o-oks like I was right!
Like I said the GTO will get better times with a better driver.How much who knows.Im waiting for someone to post "STOCKGTO DOES 12.80@120!" Yeah OOOOKAY!