What I was meaning was GM & Ford.

 

I know....I was just joking.

 

LOL Thats ok. You noticed I didnt say anything about DODGE????? lol sorry Dodge is no longer an American car company lol

 

But they do have the SRT-4. Sure, it's FWD, but it has as much Muscle Car spirit as any of these other "new age" musclecars, and it's cheap as hell!

 

I was talking about the American Own Car companies. Which Dodge & Chysler no longer fall under.

if you wanted to talk that way why not throw in the Mazda 6 or the CRX or the the other Non American Own car companies cars????

 

1. I don't think anyone is going to argue that the 1997 C5 Corvette was "based," in the strictest sense of the word, on the C4. It was as close to an "all new design" as any chassis I've ever seen.

2. Both the 1997 W-body and VT Commodore came out at roughly the same time. Personally, I don't see much of any "carryover" from the 1988 GM-10 cars to the W-body. However, alot of structure was carried over from the 1987 Opel Omega/Senator to the '93 Omega/GM2800.

3. The 2004 Grand Prix deserves the appelation "all new" alot more than the VY Holdens. The Pontiac received a comprehensive rebodying, while the Holdens got a facelift with a raft of tweaks.

So I guess, the GTO isn't all that "new" and North American engineered cars aren't that old.

 

I'd say that the SRT-4 is just as much as musclecar as the old Dodge Swinger. Interestingly, the regular Neon occupies the modern equivilent of the Dodge Dart's market segment. Sure the SRT-4 is a bit too overpowered for its own good, but no more so than the old Dart Demons that had the 383 big block.

Those pesky Germans have changed the game, and for some reason seem to understand American cars better than the Americans at Chrysler did.

 

Why include the Made in Australia GTO? I guess it's more American than a Neon that was designed by Americans and built in Illinois.

 

The Holden car company has been owned by GM for the longest time. If i remember right since before the 60s.
I was TALKING ABOUT AMERICAN OWNED CAR COMPANIES.

 

The Muscle car Era died with when the baby boomers became parents (1973) It only makes since that We are the ones to bring it back for our children. lol

The new Muscle car era will include Both American & Non American cars.
It will be a tough for many of us to diside on if we want to go with the GTO that is Not built here in the US or cars like many of the ***. cars that are built here in the US.

 

Then I hereby nominate:

Saab 9-3 Turbo
Volvo S60R
Jaguar XJR

 

Or my personal favorite, while we are talking about American owned car companies. The Aston Martin AMV8: http://www.maximum-cars.com/Cars/Car...22&pictureID=1

 

speaking of holden's history, did you know that the year before the buick 3800 series II was available, holden needed a 6 cylinder for the "vl" '88 model commodore / calais, and opted for the nissan RB30t 3.0 I6 turbo, can you say skyline motor !!!

do you think it had performance potential ??? or is it the same as the Opel rekord it originated from ?

click here to see a '88 holden

 

2. Both the 1997 W-body and VT Commodore came out at roughly the same time. Personally, I don't see much of any "carryover" from the 1988 GM-10 cars to the W-body. However, alot of structure was carried over from the 1987 Opel Omega/Senator to the '93 Omega/GM2800.

There were a lot of changes made to Commodore/Monaro FROM 93 Omega/GM2800, we are not talking about Opel.

 

And what's your point?

I don't think you were following the line of this thread. I am referring to your original post to read up history of Holdens going back to 1968... The whole argument was that in the 90's Holden got a new platfrom ("based" off Opel). I do not see what 1968 Monaro has to do with this platform.