LOL.

Go to page 1 of this thread, post #5. I took Evil Turbo SS's word for it on the weight. Were you abused by a car salesman at one point? Did one dump you and leave you destitute or something? Or pee in your Cheerios? I mean, really...I'm not flaming any job you ever had, so give it a rest. I don't have a problem with what I do, and I think I'm pretty damn good at it. So why do you have a problem with it?

Like others said here...at least attempt to act like an adult.

 

350z with air filter "Not wanting to mess around we put the car on the dyno immediately and recorded the biggest gains we.ve seen on any 350Z yet: 6.5 hp at the wheels!"

http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/june03/350pop/

350z exhaust "The Z picked up 3-4 ft-lbs of torque in the bottom end of the rev range and 2 HP towards redline."

http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/june03/350exhaust/

350z with cam "Power over stock starts right above 3250 RPM and produces 15 hp close to 6250 RPM. "

http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/july03/350cams/

350z pulley set "measured 5 hp and 3 ft-lbs of torque. Power on tap starts at 2K RPM for a 2-3 hp gain. The gain in the curve continues progressively until 5K RPM for a 5 hp increase over stock."

http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/august03/350pulley/

350z flywheel "The flywheel made 7.5 hp up at the top of the RPM band and a healthy dose of 4-5 hp from 2750 RPM to redline."

http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/october03/350z_fly/

 

So after doing air filter, exhaust, cam, pulley, and lightened flywheel the car gains 36 RWHP? The gain is not bad, but the cam gives only 15 HP? That means this is more of a 325 - 330 HP at the flywheel.

 

I can't believe that a cam(s) swap gave them only 15RWHP. It would be interesting to see what their gains would be with a reprogrammed computer though. Maybe the reason the car is "hard" to get power out of is the heads being the limiting factor

 

The facts of the matter are that you're a Car Salesman (part time) and you made a statement that just wasn't true. Interestingly, that reference you just made to the inappropriate use of a breakfast cereal is something I'd expect from a Car Salesman. So is that little "mistatement of fact" that most non-Car salesman types would call a "lie." It comes with the territory.

 

I'm sorry the irony in that statement just hit me like a metric ton of bricks.

 

The ecu is holding it back, it adjust its best to keep it stockish. People have been trying to crack the Nissan ecu for the past couple of years with no success, damn encrypting

 

I think I found a signature for myself.

 

WOW, two people with your b.s. drivel in their sig redzed. Oh I feel it coming.



Welcome to the club, muckz

 

 

Using the same argument...

Loaded 350Z Roadster (Touring): $38,110

Chevy Aveo LS: $11,840

I can buy THREE Aveo's for the price of ONE loaded 350Z. That proves how overpriced and crappy the 350Z is.

 

Oh boy.....

I thought about joining the club, but I kinda like my sig as is...

 

350Z is overpriced. I can go buy a used 1990 GSX for $3200 and put $3200 in mods and for $6400 get a car that goes faster in the turns, 1/4, and stops faster... Comon. You need to compare stock vs stock.

Aveo comment was great. Cheaper - Therefore the 350z sucks.

The S2000 handles better and is cheaper. Therefore the 350z sucks.

Would you like me to go on?

C6 went against the M3 AND the 993 AND the 911 - and on Top Gear the C6 beat them around the track. The C6 with a good driver is a force to be respected.

Back to the Nissan issue-
Stop using the term "Skyline" "GTR" or anything similar. The GTR is dead. The "Skyline" is dead. The "skyline" is Japan's AWD G35 infinity. We will not see a Nissan 350Z that can truly compete with the C6 for price and prowess in the turns. the GTR was and must be AWD. The GTR was Nissan's attempt at not only a fast car, but a HIGH TECH car. The R34 was one of the most high tech cars on the road in the entire world under $100,000. Sadly it never made it to US soil. If they stuff a v8 into the FM chassis they will have to change the body style, which I'm find with (as I find it - and espicially the back of it - hideous) and that will add to cost and again, create a unique body, but without a unique platform. But then you will be still running on a "jack of all trades, master of none" chassis. That is another bit of the Skyline - in order to produce a GTR, you need a light chassis made for a stiff ride and a fast car. The FM is not that. Also you have the next issue of drivetrain - RWD? Okay. That's not a skyline, but I'll think it's okay. V8 or Twin Turbo v6? Are you mad? Did you notice why all the Twin Turbo cars vanished in the 90's??? They wont make a new Twin Turbo car. It's stupid. Many car companies wont even insure a vehicle that has a twin turbo engine vin#. I dont think we'll see anything out of nissan in that field. Infiniti? Perhaps. But it wont be as fast or as good in the turns as a vette, espicially the new Z06. Sorry.

Nissan's single chassis concept is very unique, it saves money, and actually works well, very well mind you, but the 350Z for price, power, ability, and appeal cannnot support the battle against the vette. Nor can the 300ZX. Nor can the 240Z. Notice all those cars are gone? The vette is still here.

The Rx7, 3000GT, Supra, Skyline, and the 300ZX all are dead. The Honda NSX doesnt sell worth a hill of beans in the entire world. They all suffered from pricing themselves out of their competition. Many also suffered rediculous insurance rates for that they were "exotic", had a "twin turbo" engine, and were hard to replace. I pay $190/mo for my convertible Z28, but I checked and a 1995 3000GTVr4 with the same (full) coverage was $390/mo. In 1998 Toyota dropped the price on the Turbo Supra nearly $10,000 from the year before in hopes of selling a few! Making the GTR actually LOST Nissan Money!!! Cars are a business. They are there to make money first and please the enthusiast later. Nissan does a decent job at this-

But even with the aid in cost and parts of using an engine that is fleet wide in a chassis that is fleet wide - the Vette still has huge sales numbers and isnt losing any ground. The new C6 may be a bit of a shocker, but people will warm up to it like I warmed up to the G35 and the new mustang.

Nissan's design scheme is very good, but GM's trend toward hydroforming that will continue in the next few years will improve things. Also even with the different chassis, GM just does so much volume that it can make things work.

Anyone want to take a guess as to how much money GM saved when they began to standardize on the LS series v8? Anyone want to guess how much money GM saved when they began to standardize parts across the fleet? GM's multiple chassis system has nothing to fear.

 

1. The Honda S2000 is quite a bit more expensive than the base 350Z.

2. The Skyline GT-R is most definately on its way. The R34 went away(along with its ancient cast iron 6) and was replaced by the FM based Skyline/G35 with the VQ-series V6, but the GT-R nameplate is far too valuable for Nissan to abandon. The GT-R is coming and so is a really, really hot Z-car.

3. Don't dismiss Japanese sports cars just because the early '90s crop was wiped out by "Yen-shock" and poor planning.

 

Geoff, all i have to say is that the GT-R is coming, but in what form is the question. Like I said earlier, there are rumors of a V8 GT-R coming to the US under the Infiniti label cause, as much as us enthusiasts know of the GT-R and wouldnt care about the label and the engine (TT V6 or V8), under the Nissan label the GT-R would have much sales as the NSX. Under the Infiniti brand, it will give the car some more boulevard status with your average joe. Engine wise, they have to have a V8 (maybe supercharged, see the new supercharger for the titan which uses the same family of V8s) to compete sales wise in the US, worldwide; the V6 is in testing already. Chassie wise, the FM has a V8 awd already made in the FX (already uses attessa as did the old GT-R) and it is rumored to use the larger M35/45 varrient of the chassie. Weight wise, the GT-R was never light (they are around 3300-3400 pounds)was , but computer controlled awd and 4ws can make any car handle well. Nissan knows what they are going after and what the GT-R means to them and customers, so I think it will be Z06 territory perfromance wise, but whos knows about price. Also remember, Nissan was losing a lot of money on platforms cause almost each car at its own platform.

I agree, nothing can really compete with vette, it gives the most bang for the buck and it has boulevard status that the Z will never have and why Nissan deliberately priced the car where it is now, as an entry level sports car. Its the similar as Vette vs a 911,similar perfromance but people will always think the 911 is better if they are priced the same.