Originally Posted by 305fan

30thZ286speed --you know your Northstars I was wondering if I was the only one!


Yeah GM has way too many V6's but I still see some role for the old 60 degree pushrod engines (HV) Heres what I would do.

Drop 3400, 3800, 3800 S/C and 4.3L

Originally Posted by Meccadeth

I've been saying this for a few years now, GM has the most outdated V6's in the industry...its almost embarrasing.

Originally Posted by 305fan

Well I would say Fords are worse. Chryslers aren't so hot either and they have a few. There 3.5L 253hp V6 gets wasted by the CTS 3.6L.

I haven't heard of the 3.8L HF V6--have to check that out.

Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me

Since your reading comprehension is poor let me spell it out for you.

GM/Izusu traded their overseas diesels for a Honda motor. GM decided the 3.5 was the best bet.

Duramax is a partnership between GM and Izusu it has NOTHING to do with Honda. The common rail turbos that GM got out of the Fiat fiasco will be coming to the states, the factories are GMs now. If ANYONE is ahead of the game on diesels it is GM.

Originally Posted by Z28x

3.4L and 3800 are on there way out, but they can't be replaced overnight, They are paid for looooong ago so it really doesn't cost much for GM to keep them around.

AronZ28 what are the 9 V6's? you only listed 7. 3.9L & 3.5L HV, 2.8, 3.6L HF, 3800, 3400, Honda V6. That is all GM uses in the USA, thats 7 not 9.

Hi Value V6's are $800 cheaper to build than DOHC HF V6's!!!

Think of them as a filler between a 4 cyl. and a HF V6. Eventually GM will have 2 lines of V6's for cars. THe HF & HV. This is fine in my book. If you have a value priced car like the Malibu or Impala why would GM spend $800 on a DOHC 2.8L when they can get the same HP and more torque out of a In-block-cam 3.5L V6 and save $2000 off the MSRP. I read before that Honda DOHC engines cost as much as an LS1. I don't know about you, but If I'm spending the same money I'd rather have an LS1 (or new DoD LS4)

Originally Posted by morb|d

those diesel's are going NOWHERE unless they pass the new emissions out for 2006-7. If VW and Mercedes are backing out of their US diesel sales due to failing new emissions standards, you can be SURE the Fiat designed diesel isn't going to pass.

The only place those engines will help is like 3 countries in Europe. THAT'S IT.

Originally Posted by morb|d

how about we turn the pictue on its ear and look at it from a different perspective? If GM put a OHC engine into an Impala that costs $800 more to produce they could KEEP the MSRP the same but deal away with offering a $5000 rebate. Which way makes more sense again?

Originally Posted by AronZ28

I heard that we are getting low sulfer diesel fuel in the next few years. This would allow any diesel to pass the emissions tests much more easily. Hopefully all this will bear to fruit, because I would pick up a K1500 mini-duramax diesel Silverado any day of the week over the gas V8 version if it got better mileage and made the same amount of power. Or they could install the same Duramax in 3500 into a 1500. We'd have much lighter diesel hot rods now.