Just updated my coverage on www.TheGMSource.com

We are close to it being done and GM unloading $30 Billion in healthcare on to the Union.......the only issue right now (that is not being published) is that the Union wants GM to come off with a couple a billion more than they want to in order to fund the VEBA.

 

I've just been told exclusively that the talks are extended an hour, and are rumored to be going hour by hour at this point.

The teams are going all night it appears.

 

Looking like there're very close to an agreement.

 

Good points all around.

I'll be the 1st to point out how unions went overboard, and shot themselves in the head over the years. But over the past few years, unions (though appearing standoffish to the outsider) has been far and away more responsible and has done their fair share in helping US makers get their act together.

But I don't buy into those who engage in completely mindless union bashing, and lay all the blame of the faltering US car industry at their feet. The 1st and largest level of blame for the current state of affairs is the management of US car companies. If US car companies got as serious about quality and put as much effort into cars 7-10 years ago as they have been been doing the past couple of years, Toyota would still be 2nd fiddle to GM (or even 3rd to Ford or 4th to Chrysler), and the Korean transplants wouldn't stand a chance.

 

Sweet! Extend those 15 min coffee breaks every hour to 25 minutes, raise the unskilled workers from $40/hr to $50/hr, make overtime 2.0X, and finally pay their entire extended families health coverage. Unions FTW!

 

Illegal immigrants shouldn't have constitutional rights if they are not a citizen. They shouldn't have came into the country illegally and then file a law suit about being caught. That reminds of the border patrol agent that heard shots fired and then fired at an illegal immigrant who was smuggling drugs, and then went to jail because he shot the illegal immigrant.

Such crap.

 

Everyone in US territory, citizen or not, has "constitutional rights". The Constitution constrains the government, not the people.

 

Venomous, nosensical sarcasm falls under the heading of mindless union bashing, since that's not even the issue. I find your descriptions pretty fanciful as well. Did you come up with that yourself, or did someone program that into you??

Perhaps you should actually study the facts before you jump in on this one.

 

Anything on an agreement?

 

True, every "person" has rights protected by our constitution but that does note mean this suit has any real substance.

There seems to be a growing belief by some "pro-illegal alian" groups that they have a "right" to be here...they do not.

All persons, including illegal aliens, have a right to due process and being presumed innocent until proven guilty, etc., etc., they do not have a right to be here illegally nor do they have a right to not have ICE raid their place of employment and begin processing them for deportation.

 

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...13/1148/AUTO01

 

That is a good point. but what if we decided that the Constitution only limits the government with respect to it's actions related to citizens and it was not in fact limited in action towards noncitizens?

 

Then parts of the US that make a lot of money off of tourists would make a lot less money.

 

Yep. If amnesty had passed the Unions would have loved their $10 an hour replacements.