GM Picked As Strike Target
Today GM has been picked as the "strike target" as the UAW puts it. The "lead" target as the media says it.
Basically what it means is that whatever the GM/UAW agreement is, the Chrysler, Ford agreement will follow it closely, but may slightly differ. No, this does not mean a strike is imminent. Also, Ford and Chrysler have announced a contract extension with the UADub to continue talks after midnight tomorrow, which is when the original contract expires. For the record, I expect a new GM/UAW contract to be done literally...any minute now. The agreement is there that the UAW will take over healthcare in a VEBA, now the only thing is how much GM will pay. Also, the two-tier wages are 99% done as well for new hires as GM will have to hire up to 20k employees within the next few years. |
Originally Posted by Josh452
(Post 4867193)
Basically what it means is that whatever the GM/UAW agreement is, the Chrysler, Ford agreement will follow it closely, but may slightly differ.
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Not surprized at the choice.
A strike against Ford probally wouldn't be a good idea. Ford's horded cash, morgaged the company, and sold off Aston Martin and looking to sell Volvo, presumably to weather a strike. But then I can also see Ford using the strike as a pretense to closing more factories without a hickup. Striking against Chrysler isn't a great idea either. It seems the UAW likes Lasorda (who'll be negotiating), but I'm guessing Cerebus would probally play hardball if they struck. Although Chrysler is in pretty good shape, I don't suspect they want anything to risk the turnaround. GM seems to have a crack negotiating team, (and after what they managed to put together with that impossible Delphi situation) seems far more than capable of coming up with innovative agreements that make both lets the UAW leadership save face and meets the goal of seriously cutting costs. The UAW doesn't have alot of cards to play this time around, so I don't expect things to take too long to get settled as long as UAW management isn't viewed to have been steamrolled. It's a safe bet they know the situation their facing. |
yea...either deal with it now and work with GM Ford and Chrysler or fall apart when all they got is Toyota Honda and Nissan in this country..:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Caps94ZODG
(Post 4867645)
yea...either deal with it now and work with GM Ford and Chrysler or fall apart when all they got is Toyota Honda and Nissan in this country..:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Gunny Highway
(Post 4867810)
Yehhhhhhh unions. :rolleyes:
Also, we're competing with countries that have national health care so industry doesn't have to deal with it. The UAW just puts the things together. Their attitudes have already decimated them to a shadow of what they were. The UAW knows what's going on (though the CAW are the ones that seem a little out to lunch now). UAW Union bashing today really is pointless. :shrug: |
Originally Posted by guionM
(Post 4867886)
Lets not forget: Pursuing SUVs and essentially forfeiting the car market to the Japanese, only recently getting serious about interior quality, and not learning a thing from the 80s Japanese invasion by the big 3 created the mess they're in today.
Also, we're competing with countries that have national health care so industry doesn't have to deal with it. The UAW just puts the things together. Their attitudes have already decimated them to a shadow of what they were. The UAW knows what's going on (though the CAW are the ones that seem a little out to lunch now). UAW Union bashing today really is pointless. :shrug: ;) |
Originally Posted by robvas
(Post 4868795)
You don't need unions when you have illegals!
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Originally Posted by guionM
(Post 4867886)
Lets not forget: Pursuing SUVs and essentially forfeiting the car market to the Japanese, only recently getting serious about interior quality, and not learning a thing from the 80s Japanese invasion by the big 3 created the mess they're in today.
Also, we're competing with countries that have national health care so industry doesn't have to deal with it. The UAW just puts the things together. Their attitudes have already decimated them to a shadow of what they were. The UAW knows what's going on (though the CAW are the ones that seem a little out to lunch now). UAW Union bashing today really is pointless. :shrug: At least that's what this board taught me....:rolleyes: IF they strike....do you give any support to the union? I would be happy to point out the many people, Americans if you will, who do as good or better job for 1/2 their wages and benefits. |
Originally Posted by guionM
(Post 4867381)
Not surprized at the choice.
A strike against Ford probally wouldn't be a good idea. Ford's horded cash, morgaged the company, and sold off Aston Martin and looking to sell Volvo, presumably to weather a strike. But then I can also see Ford using the strike as a pretense to closing more factories without a hickup. The whole us/them mentality with the Union is what has driven me nuts for years. These guys and gals don't work for the UAW,(which is what they most often state). They work for GM, Ford, and Chrysler. That mentality alone is maddening. Dan |
Originally Posted by robvas
(Post 4868795)
You don't need unions when you have illegals!
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Originally Posted by flowmotion
(Post 4868956)
See the meat packing industry. Classic 19th century labor relations tactics.
Speaking of, we actually have a company here in Iowa that got raided by INS back in 2006. Just this week, they're filing suit on behalf of the "workers" that were caught and arrested because the raid "violated their constitutional rights" |
Originally Posted by Gunny Highway
(Post 4867810)
Yehhhhhhh unions. :rolleyes:
Some also are of the mindset that the unions hay days, back earlier this century, help level set acceptable work places and ethics of which most of us still benefit today. CNN posted a stat that the state of Michigan has lost 300k jobs in the last 6 years alone. Makes you wonder without unions how many more people in the US would be out of work and jobs shifted over to foreign countries. Comes down to what if anything is worth saving or keeping in our country. |
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