GM makes crappy, gas guzzling cars and deserves to go out of business
#1
GM makes crappy, gas guzzling cars and deserves to go out of business
Just in case you didn't know, GM's cars are downright sh*ty when compared to their Japanese competition. They've got no performance, zero reliability, and they guzzle gas like theres no tomorrow. Another interesting fact, the Japanese never tried to push into the SUV/truck market. They were much more market savvy and steered clear of this obviosly greed driven segment that GM took advantage of because of CAFE loopholes. For these reasons, GM deserves to go out of business. 3 million workers sounds like a lot but thats really only 1% of the population. All of this doom and gloom is way overblown and their collapse wont really have a significant impact on the economy.
Holy potatoes, I cant take it anymore. It seems like this is what 90% of Americans truely believe. Everywhere I go this is all I hear. It is so hip for Americans to hate anything American right now.
Holy potatoes, I cant take it anymore. It seems like this is what 90% of Americans truely believe. Everywhere I go this is all I hear. It is so hip for Americans to hate anything American right now.
Last edited by slt; 11-15-2008 at 02:08 AM.
#3
Consider it a challenge to educate people.
GM needs the help, as public opinion will be important in this.
I look forward to GM presenting its case on why it will be able to make money if it can survive this perfect storm of events. Like it or not, they need to convince the public, it seems to me....
GM needs the help, as public opinion will be important in this.
I look forward to GM presenting its case on why it will be able to make money if it can survive this perfect storm of events. Like it or not, they need to convince the public, it seems to me....
#4
Yeah, I'm sure GM's previous 3 decades of car making had nothing to do with the image and reputation that they now have with the general public. It takes more than a few years of putting out good products to turn around 30 years of mostly poop.
I don't believe that is the case now, but the products of the 80's, 90's and early 2000's weren't exactly shining beacons of light in the automotive world.
#5
A1: Have a vested interest in the country's economy (via financial institutions).
A2: Run the media.
A1 + A2 = Influence the politicians + Sway the public.
Seriously, the media is trying to tell us GM and Ford should make vehicles that the public don't necessarily want to own. The sales charts suggest the media is wrong. Very wrong.
#6
Yeah, I'm sure GM's previous 3 decades of car making had nothing to do with the image and reputation that they now have with the general public. It takes more than a few years of putting out good products to turn around 30 years of mostly poop.
I don't believe that is the case now, but the products of the 80's, 90's and early 2000's weren't exactly shining beacons of light in the automotive world.
#7
I am going to disagree w/ this part. The by the 2000s GM had reliability down to an art. The 3800s, Ecotecs, and LSx series engines are all extremely reliable. The 60 degree engines had notorius problems w/ intake manifolds but overall are still quite reliable. The 4 speed autos are not just reliable but also extremely smooth and get great economy.
#8
I am going to disagree w/ this part. The by the 2000s GM had reliability down to an art. The 3800s, Ecotecs, and LSx series engines are all extremely reliable. The 60 degree engines had notorius problems w/ intake manifolds but overall are still quite reliable. The 4 speed autos are not just reliable but also extremely smooth and get great economy.
#9
I am going to disagree w/ this part. The by the 2000s GM had reliability down to an art. The 3800s, Ecotecs, and LSx series engines are all extremely reliable. The 60 degree engines had notorius problems w/ intake manifolds but overall are still quite reliable. The 4 speed autos are not just reliable but also extremely smooth and get great economy.
GM quality was still crap well into the 2000's and has only really changed within the last year or two
the 2003-2004 saturn vue with the variable speed transmission is well documented online to be a hunk of scrap. GM had to extend the powertrain warranties on those vehicles they were so bad. my parent's 2003 saturn vue got its 2ed transmission at 23,000 miles and 3ed transmission at 98,000 miles.
#10
Consider it a challenge to educate people.
GM needs the help, as public opinion will be important in this.
I look forward to GM presenting its case on why it will be able to make money if it can survive this perfect storm of events. Like it or not, they need to convince the public, it seems to me....
GM needs the help, as public opinion will be important in this.
I look forward to GM presenting its case on why it will be able to make money if it can survive this perfect storm of events. Like it or not, they need to convince the public, it seems to me....
#11
Q. How do you go about weakening a country?
A1: Have a vested interest in the country's economy (via financial institutions).
A2: Run the media.
A1 + A2 = Influence the politicians + Sway the public.
Seriously, the media is trying to tell us GM and Ford should make vehicles that the public don't necessarily want to own. The sales charts suggest the media is wrong. Very wrong.
A1: Have a vested interest in the country's economy (via financial institutions).
A2: Run the media.
A1 + A2 = Influence the politicians + Sway the public.
Seriously, the media is trying to tell us GM and Ford should make vehicles that the public don't necessarily want to own. The sales charts suggest the media is wrong. Very wrong.
#12
reliability down to an art? really? and then you go on to acknowledge that the 60 degree engines had notorious problems with intake manifolds?
GM quality was still crap well into the 2000's and has only really changed within the last year or two
the 2003-2004 saturn vue with the variable speed transmission is well documented online to be a hunk of scrap. GM had to extend the powertrain warranties on those vehicles they were so bad. my parent's 2003 saturn vue got its 2ed transmission at 23,000 miles and 3ed transmission at 98,000 miles.
GM quality was still crap well into the 2000's and has only really changed within the last year or two
the 2003-2004 saturn vue with the variable speed transmission is well documented online to be a hunk of scrap. GM had to extend the powertrain warranties on those vehicles they were so bad. my parent's 2003 saturn vue got its 2ed transmission at 23,000 miles and 3ed transmission at 98,000 miles.
The issue is...an American car breaks and the customer is like "Stupid POS American crap. A Japanese car breaks and it is "I must have been too hard on it or it is just a freak thing because Toyota's are made by the hand of god".
#13
And Toyota had oil sludge issues...so? Honda is knows for having transmissions go up.
The issue is...an American car breaks and the customer is like "Stupid POS American crap. A Japanese car breaks and it is "I must have been too hard on it or it is just a freak thing because Toyota's are made by the hand of god".
The issue is...an American car breaks and the customer is like "Stupid POS American crap. A Japanese car breaks and it is "I must have been too hard on it or it is just a freak thing because Toyota's are made by the hand of god".
#14
GM quality was still crap well into the 2000's and has only really changed within the last year or two
the 2003-2004 saturn vue with the variable speed transmission is well documented online to be a hunk of scrap. GM had to extend the powertrain warranties on those vehicles they were so bad. my parent's 2003 saturn vue got its 2ed transmission at 23,000 miles and 3ed transmission at 98,000 miles.
It was a new design for them (as it was for much of the industry at the time) and it didn't work out. They don't use that anymore.
As for people talking about power window motors and such what year were those cars made or designed in? I didn't have any problems with the window motors in the 96 Corsica, 97 Monte Carlo, or 98 Malibu I have owned. Are you just thinking F-bodies (you know the ones designed in 1990)?
#15
the 2003-2004 saturn vue with the variable speed transmission is well documented online to be a hunk of scrap. GM had to extend the powertrain warranties on those vehicles they were so bad. my parent's 2003 saturn vue got its 2ed transmission at 23,000 miles and 3ed transmission at 98,000 miles.