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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 06:09 AM
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How is less brands/models going to equal more sales?
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Pontiac wasn't profitable. What good is a sale if it cost you money. If they want the sales back all they need to do is start selling Chevys, Buicks and GMCs at a loss. How about a $17,995 Camaro LT or $15,000 Malibu.
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 07:09 AM
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I don't think the G8 and Camaro are significantly cross shopped. The only common thread is the drivetrain. In terms of how one uses a car, they're worlds apart. The G8 is roomy and practical for a family; Camaro is anything but. I suspect the V6 CTS would be more likely to be cross shopped by G8 buyers (remember not all G8s are V8s), as both are RWD enthusiast cars that can also legitimately be family cars as well. I know for me, I was looking at both.
Yeah I know, I pulled Camaro only because of the "shared" platform, not because of their equality in the spaciousness and utilitarian columns.

I agree that CTS is the only real alternative to the G8 currently but only in V6 form. I wonder how many people really put both Caddys and Pontiacs on the same wish-list of cars when it comes time to buy - I'm sure there are a few, but it seems like wholly different clientele to me.

Only on paper (paper that would have had to have been used to facilitate the ingestion of illegal materials with certain hallucinogenic qualities) can the Impala and G8 be considered similar enough for the Impala to be a suitable replacement for the Pontiac.
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 07:27 AM
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As the previous owner of a '95 Grand Am Coupe, '02 Grand Am GT Coupe (purchased new), an '01 Grand Prix GT Coupe, and the current owner of my wife's Comp G, I can honestly say I have NO interest in another GM model, aside from a Camaro. And even THAT purchase is not a shoo-in for me, by any stretch, because of my aforementioned issues with the car.

What else does GM offer me to replace what ANY of those cars meant to me, aka small and sporty looking like the Grand Ams, or comfortable, stylish and speedy like the GPs? The Malibu is too bland. The Impala is too old. A Buick is too expensive and too "import-ish" for me...the new Lacrosse is beautiful, but its not me. Its not bold looking.

If I had to replace the Comp G today, know what I'd buy? I honestly don't have a clue...but it'd probably be a V6 Fusion, or even a Taurus. When the HELL did a Grand Prix owner ever replace it with a Taurus????????

The irony of this is killing me....
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 07:28 AM
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G8 = Impala. LOL, That's too much for me
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 07:30 AM
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One more thing...if they REALLY want to keep Pontiac buyers around??? Chevy has to be bolder. It needs to offer a mid-sized coupe. A lot of '97-'02 GP coupe owners STILL HAVE THEIR CARS, and don't know what to replace them with, if you read clubgp.com. GM has NOTHING to offer them...and they were the coupe kings at one point!

Chevy needs to be more like Mazda and Nissan if they want to get Pontiac buyers...because those that haven't gone there already are heading there. I can easily see replacing the GP with, dare I say, an Altima or Maxima over a Malibu???? Have I lost my mind???

I won't buy foreign...but I can see why so many people do. The closest chance GM had to my new-car business was a G8...but we don't need to replace her Comp G at this point.
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by soul strife
G8 = Impala. LOL, That's too much for me
QFT!

I think GM sees it like this: "Hey, it has four doors...maybe they'll buy an Impala!" As someone else already said...it reminds me of the time when they said the Cobalt would satisfy those that would have purchased a Monte Carlo

I would never...repeat NEVER, cross shop an Impala and a G8. I might consider it, however, if they put a chevy nose on the current G8 and sell it as an Impala
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Jason E
One more thing...if they REALLY want to keep Pontiac buyers around??? Chevy has to be bolder. It needs to offer a mid-sized coupe. A lot of '97-'02 GP coupe owners STILL HAVE THEIR CARS, and don't know what to replace them with, if you read clubgp.com. GM has NOTHING to offer them...and they were the coupe kings at one point!
Fantastic point. I used to be one of those GP owners.

Now that the G6 is gone I think it is time for a Malibu coupe. Offer it with the DI 2.4L for the commuters and Turbo DI 2.0L for the performance guys.

Camaro doesn't cut it for the GP coupe owners, it has too small of a back seat. We really need the Holden Commodore in North America
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 09:01 AM
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Seriously, the more I read about "the new GM" the more discouraged I get.
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 09:02 AM
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GM better exhale if they think they are getting this Pontiac buyer back anytime soon. Other than the 'Vette, there is NOTHING in their current lineup that interests me at all. Nothing.
From you sig, I gather Pontiac didn't have anything in the last few years you felt worthy of purchase either. Otherwise you would have one rather than a Scion...

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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 09:16 AM
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I'm saddened to see Pontiac go.

Lots of folks like the G8. My suggestion to those folks would be to buy one.

Nice car and you can get one for a very good price.

What will be coming from GM will either appeal or not to previous Pontiac customers.

Folks will look and decide.
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 1fastdog
I'm saddened to see Pontiac go.

Lots of folks like the G8. My suggestion to those folks would be to buy one.

Nice car and you can get one for a very good price.

What will be coming from GM will either appeal or not to previous Pontiac customers.

Folks will look and decide.
too bad i can't buy a G8 GT.
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 09:57 AM
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too bad i can't buy a G8 GT.
I was under the impression G8 GT was available in Canada. I even thought there was sizable cash delivery allowance that's over $7K.

I apologize that I don't follow GM of Canada that closely. Keeping up with GM USA is kind of a fulltime endeavor.

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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 10:07 AM
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While this thread has focused almost entirely on how GM is making a joke of themselves by trying to retain G8 customers with what isi currently available in their other divisions...... I would guess that only G8 and Solstice customers would not be able to find a legit alternative in another line.

G3 = Aveo.

G5 = Cobalt.

G6 Sedan = Malibu.

G6 Coupe = Camaro. I know others feel differently, but I don't. The V6 Camaro price point should make this viable.

G6 convertible = Camaro convertible when it comes out.

G8 = Nothing, though I would argue there are SOME G8 customers that would probably buy an Impala. Not everyone who buys a G8 is a gearhead. taking it outside of Chevy for a moment, I thin kthe new LaCrosse is also an alternative if you want somethign fresher than Impala.

Solstice = Nothing, though if they just want a sporty car, a Camaro could fill the bill... but granted, they are not much alike at all.

Torrent = Equinox.




So... we have to remember that Pontiac did NOT = G8. It equaled ALL of those vehicles, so the idea of making efforts to retain Pontiac customers, and reflecting back ont he Olds losses is quite a smart move.

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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 1fastdog
I was under the impression G8 GT was available in Canada. I even thought there was sizable cash delivery allowance that's over $7K.

I apologize that I don't follow GM of Canada that closely. Keeping up with GM USA is kind of a fulltime endeavor.
they are sold out. not sure how many V6's are left tho.
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth Xed
G8 = Nothing, though I would argue there are SOME G8 customers that would probably buy an Impala. Not everyone who buys a G8 is a gearhead.
Very good point. I've seen a lot of (not to stereotype) women, driving G8's.

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