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Old May 27, 2009 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
SHO is expected to be 25mpg hwy. So it puts out ~60 more HP than the Impala yet gets 1mpg more city and hwy all while having AWD and a heavier curb weight. The regular Taurus AWD is rated 17/24. The eco is getting better mileage while you poor on the boost.

I read 24, but it's all just estimates at this point.

350 - 303 = 47. Not 60.

Yes, Taurus SHO is heavier. Mostly because of it's drivetrain.

I think you mean "pour" not poor. Unless you're trying to say something quite different.
Old May 28, 2009 | 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by routesixtysixer
Add DI to 5.3 V8/6-speed auto and I would bet money it would be at least as powerful, less expensive and more efficient.
Maybe so, but that ignores the fact that GM doesn't have a platform to put it in. When GM's entire future sedan line is based on Epsilon, turbo will be the way to go too.

I have no problem selling a twin-turbo V6 for performance, but Ford changed the name to make it sound more "green" and that stuff just smacks of hyperbole.
Agreed. Originally the performance versions were going to be called "TwinForce", which IMO is far better marketing for this segment. Nobody thinks they're a greenie while driving a high-performance V6.
Old May 28, 2009 | 02:26 AM
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I'm a die hard GM fan, but the fact that Ford had enough foresight coupled with maybe a little luck to avoid the disaster that GM and Chrysler are currently in really improves my perception of the Ford Motor Company. I will consider their cars in the future where before I would only look at Chevrolet.

Now, if GM doesn't get out from under the governments wing in the next few years; I will NOT be buying a new GM vehicle. I have always liked the new Mustang and could easily see myself driving one.

Ford didnt have foresight! Ford was going down in flames, so they sold everything and anything that wasnt vital to the Ford brand.
Its all a matter of perception and timing.
When Ford was on Fire-sale mode, getting rid of every desirable vehicle they made, GM was on a product blitz, raking in award after award, getting tons of acclaim and praise.
Now, that the economic bomb has dropped, Ford is sitting on a small pile of cash, while GM was in the middle of a major restruction on top of a continued product blitz, on top of developing advanced powertrain technology.
Whamo. Now Ford shows off a few warmed up versions of the previous also-rans, a new full size sedan in which that market has seen massive declines, and a truck/SUV line up that overlaps itself so many times Ive gone crosseyed.

With that said, I wish I sank about 5 grand into Ford when they were at 1.25 a share.
Old May 28, 2009 | 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by routesixtysixer
I read 24, but it's all just estimates at this point.

350 - 303 = 47. Not 60.

Yes, Taurus SHO is heavier. Mostly because of it's drivetrain.

I think you mean "pour" not poor. Unless you're trying to say something quite different.
A small correction, the sho has 365 hp not 350, so 365 - 303 = 62 hp

Some people are est a 1/4 time of 13.5 to 13.8 @ 106mph do to its slightly higher hp, lower weight and better gearing then the 13.9 104 mph mks ecoboost.
Old May 28, 2009 | 06:39 PM
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You guys considering an SHO had better get moving...

Ford's debt threatens post-crisis joy
John K. Teahen Jr.
Automotive News | May 27, 2009 - 11:40 am EST


Throughout the agonizing collapse of the domestic auto industry, Ford Motor Co. has been a shining example of how not to do things wrong.

Chrysler LLC is bankrupt. General Motors has been fast approaching that state. Both are living from day to day on handouts (OK, loans if you prefer) from the federal government.

Only Ford has kept its head above water. Like GM and Chrysler, it is losing money hand over fist ($1.4 billion in the first quarter of this year). But it has not had to beg Big Daddy (the government) for money to keep the doors open.

And Ford has hung on to its finance company. GM and Chrysler have not. Credit is at the heart of auto sales.

Ford's car and truck sales have declined significantly, as have the sales of GM and Chrysler. But there is no question that Ford is the healthiest of the three Detroit manufacturers.

Who will be on top?

How has Ford achieved its seeming miracle? CEO Alan Mulally knew that Ford would need money -- tons of it -- so in 2006 he mortgaged the company to outside lenders. He mortgaged everything -- buildings, equipment, ballpoint pens and paper clips. He even mortgaged the Blue Oval logo, although what any creditor could do with the Blue Oval is beyond me.

Look ahead a few years, probably quite a few years. GM is healthy, turning a respectable profit. Chrysler also is making money, although which foreign company will own Chrysler is open for debate. Ford, too, is solidly in the black.

So which of the three will be in the best financial shape? I'll make a guess. I'll say GM.

Both GM and Chrysler will owe humongous amounts of money to the U.S. government. But surely you are not naive enough to believe that those debts will be repaid 100 cents on the dollar.


http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...mentary-79871/
https://home.autonews.com/clickshare...03%2F905279978
Old May 28, 2009 | 07:52 PM
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What does that have to do with the article that you just posted???

The article says that their OPINION, is that all three will be making money.............. as in............. PROFIT.

So, you are saying that if Ford "is solidly in the black," (quoting the article) that they will cancel the SHO, due to no money???
Old May 28, 2009 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by routesixtysixer
I read 24, but it's all just estimates at this point.

350 - 303 = 47. Not 60.

Yes, Taurus SHO is heavier. Mostly because of it's drivetrain.

I think you mean "pour" not poor. Unless you're trying to say something quite different.
I saw an article where Ford estimates at least 25mpg EPA rating. We should find out the official rating soon enough.

also it is a 365HP engine, not 350HP so 62HP advantage goes to Ford. http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog...s/4303264.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth-g...on_Ford_Taurus
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