This makes me want to stab somebody at Ford.

Hmmm how can we market our direct injection turbo charged engines....

Point out the much bigger power numbers and better fuel efficiency and give it a catchy name that might actually get people into the dealerships...

OR

Give it a name even tree huggers would cringe at and harp on ad naseum about a minimal mpg increase and give basic lip service to a 350 horsepower turbo engine.

Just hope SVT isn't dead and maybe more performance tuned version of the engines will be out there with the name of TwinForce. Then again this is Ford so probably not.

 

TwinForce sounds purely like a performance name (or some made up, nonsensical marketing name that means nothing).

EcoBoost sounds more economical. During the current green craze, which do you think is more likely to get the attention of the average, Prius-worshipping driver?

I thought TwinForce sounded cool and all (and would love to see it on a 400 hp performance-oriented package), but EcoBoost makes more sense for many vehicles (like a Fusion).

 

lemme clear up some of the confusion in this thread.

First off, i believe the eco-boost name came about because twin-force is a term to describe twin-turbos, none of which the 4 cylinders are going to get. so it wouldnt make sense.

the 3.7 is the base engine in the MKS, the 3.7 GTDI is the uplevel.

The MKS isnt a towncar replacement either. Sure, it is coming out at a time that the other is leaving, but they are completely different cars. I would call it more of a Lincoln LS replacement if anything. It is a sporty, good handling, sedan more along the lines of a luxury G8, Lexus GS, Caddy STS

 

I think that coming up with a green-pleasing name for forced induction is pretty funny. I hope it works!

That's crazy. Gasoline needs turbochargers and direct injection in order to match the (already turbocharged and direct-injected) diesels?



I am astonished that this myth has lasted so long. The difference in power, torque, and economy between gasoline and diesel engines is very small when the engines are comparably equipped. Give me two turbocharged, aftercooled, direct-injected V8 engines. One gas, one diesel. What are you going to get? A couple of similarly torquey, similarly powerful, similarly efficient engines. What's the difference going to be? The gas engine is going to have a powerband higher in the rev range. The gasoline engine will probably be cheaper to manufacture (because it doesn't have to be built to withstand 25:1 compression). The gas engine will have less NVH. The gas engine will start and run in sub-freezing weather without a block heater. The gas engine's emissions will not require a complex urea-injection or ammonia system to remove NOx particulates. The gas engines will be able to run on E85 and pure ethanol with only minor changes. And finally, the gas engine will have (to most ears) a more appealing exhaust note.

Not to mention that in today's US market, it'll be cheaper to refuel the gasoline engine.

 

actually thats not true they will, at least thats what the dealer info has stated

edit: http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...3005/1530/FREE

read the first sentence

oh, thanks for clearing that up

 

The 4 cylinders will be TWIN turbos? That seems quite doubtful.

Or did you just misread what he was stating, and you meant that they will be turbocharged (but not with two turbos)?

 

I4 engines will be single turbo, V6 and V8 will be twin turbo.

 

I'll stick with my source over yours. I work for Ford btw.

 

care to back that up with proof

dont get me wrong that makes the most sense to me, but its not what i have read

 

ok pm me your soure, fmcdealer? i would like to know more.

 

Nice to see that at least ONE automaker is innovating instead of wrecking their future product line up.

*cough* GM *cough*

 

What are you talking about? GM is wrecking their future product lineup?

 

Cost wise, the engines themselves will get closer in cost (what with the DI and the turbo and such on the gas engine) so if you want to split pennies, the diesel engine will also (probably) run long after the car has fallen apart. Maintenence between the two engines will also vary dramatically.

In fuel economy, gasoline will get closer to diesel - but how much depends on many factors. I have a hunch that diesel will still get better mpg though.

And when you want to talk cost of fuel - that depends on where you live. Up here in NY diesel is more expensive than premium - but there are still good parts of the country where diesel is cheaper than regular unleaded.

For the record, I'm waiting to see what mpg the CTS gets if GM sticks the new V6 diesel into it.

 

There's no reason that a gasoline engine couldn't be built to be equally reliable.

 

There is also something like 10% more energy in a gallon of Diesel that a gallon of gasoline. Thus it should cost more than gasoline and get a little bit better mileage.