Other than the Brembo's, Recaro's and the Xenon's all the the little things don't cost much to fix. Also the G35 coupe has the Brembo's and Xenon's and stickers for 35K the GTI has the Recaros and that stickers for 23k. There is no excuse for the poor quality materials. If Honda can build a 12,000 dollar Civic with tight body panel fit and paint that matches on every panel how come GM can't do that.

 

An IRS will fix this how? It just won't hook up as well.

I do think that the F5 needs a IRS, but the current unit is fine in the F4. I have never seen a stock F4 blow a 10 Bolt unless it had a crap load of miles. The general rule I have seen is that anything 12.50 and below you are risking blowing the rear. GM does not engineer cars with Bill Bob hopping it up and running nitrous in mind.

 

NO SIR. You are the first flame target!!!!

I FLAME THEE! I FLAME THEE!

You did not provide SOLUTIONS. You MUST PROVIDE SOLUTIONS.

Edit the post and add solutions or I shall flame thee again!

 

Excellent, apart from the fact that I said ONLY ENGINEERING ISSUES.

I FLAME THEE!!!! I FLAME THEE!!!

Strike the cosmetics stuff, that's for genderless styling types who wear loud ties and drink tea out of little cups with their pinkys sticking up. THINK ENGINEER. Ultra-****, ultra-geeky, math whiz kid who you used to beat up on the way to school and take his lunch money.

Reformat the serviceability issue to Problem:Solution.

Edit your post and I will delete this one.

 

Problem: Factroy Delco radios suck. They are too big, malfuntions frequently, and have sound quality just below industry average. A good stereo is important if you want to attract younger buyers.

Solution: Use an outside vendor for stereos, if Toyota can do it on a $10,000 Scion, GM can do it on a $30,000 Camaro...and I am not talking BOSE eaiter. Maybe Kenwood or something. Dump Monsoon at all costs! All radios must have MP3 playback standard as this is teh big new format...I would say dump XM...the younger crowd listens to CD's, the older crowd uses regular radio. I know this will be hard for GM, but make it single DIN size so that aftermarket radios actually fit...it doesn't need a cassete player in this day and age, so it should not be necessary.

 

I'll go back, but you stated that if you are not sure we will call in the experts.
Listen you already came up with solutions to most of my compaints. Your doing a good job with this.

 

1) Let's not be critical yet, we'll get the problems down and re-examine the solutions later. We want EVERYONE'S input, we want to catch EVERY percieved problem, real or not. Engineers are generally terrific at solving problems, IF you define the problem well and get them on the right track. Sometimes, they're downright brilliant...

2) Restate you mass/weight issue to read something like this:

Problem: Camaro might be too heavy.

Solution: Provide for a lightweight, low-content car (roll up windows maybe? manual seat adjusters? etc...) and use lightweight metals and composites where they make sense.


Then I'll delete this post.

 

1) Edit this to read something like:

Problem: Water enters the car when I have a wet hatch and lift it.

Solution: Add or improve the hatch water channels to prevent the water from entering the car.

Then I'll delete this post.

 

Excellent! Great input!

Please edit this to the Problem:Solution format and I will blow this post away.

 

Good one, I missed this one completely.

Please edit to Problem:Solution format and I'll blow this post away.

 

Problem: Nightime lighting for interior controls is inadaquate. Specificly, power window and door lock switches.

Solution: Delete the mini "spot-light" and install backlighted switches.


Problem: Inability to turn off headlights at night due to automatic headlight system. Causes problems at security checkpoints military or otherwise that direct you to turn off headlights while approaching guards so as not to blind them.

Solution: Design system to overide the auto headlight system when headlight switch is placed in the off position.

 

Alternate Solution: Move the ignition to the dash.

 

I know this doesn't follow proper format for this thread, but I honestly think that GM really only needs to do 3 things to make the car a much better seller:

-Make it lighter (better handling, and most people- especially non-hardcore racer types, love the feel of a light car... look at cars like the Miata, etc)
-Bump up quality control as much as budget will reasonably allow. For items that cost too much to fix, improvise. Such as shorten the length of the doors a bit... this will help the 'bucket of bolts' sound most 50k+ mile camaros make when the doors shut, and will make things like windows falling inside the doors and door panels falling off much less common. Stiffening up the chassis to 2005 standards would be a big plus too, as this tends to make many of the perceived quality issues stand out even moreso (rattles over bumps due to chassis flex).
-Make it more durable. People here that take care of their car to the point of obsession get excited when they hit 150k miles. It's the talk of CZ28.com. It's not uncommon for half the car to have been replaced by 100k miles or less. We live in a modern world with a fast-paced style of life where time is money. Most people don't have the time or interest to deal with unexpected break-downs on the side of the road once every couple of months. People are starting to buy foreign more and more now, even if they wish they could have the added performance of the camaro, simply because it isn't worth the anxiety wondering "when is my car going to break down next?" GM needs to look at their design philosophy for their trucks... build it to where people expect it to last 200k miles... some will have less, some will have more. But nobody wants a 2005 model car that most likely won't see anything past 100k miles without repair bills higher than most car payments except for the extreme enthusiasts... and sales reflect that.

 

I edited mine. You delete yours

 

Several of you are suggesting improvements to convience items, that quite frankly really mean little in a performance car. I could care less if it has a cup holder, sufficient interior storage or even easy to use *****, bells and whistles. Just as long as its good looking and fast is really all I care about.

Sure A/C, power seats & windows, and leather are a nice plus, but that's about where I draw the line.