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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 09:10 PM
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Feds intensify probe of stalling Corollas

David Shepardson / Detroit News Washington Bureau

Washington -- Federal regulators have stepped up their probe into complaints that the engines in 2005-07 Toyota Corollas and Matrix hatchbacks can stall at any speed, and not restart.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration upgraded its review to what it calls an engineering analysis after reviewing more than 1,100 complaints. Some 1.2 million Corolla and Matrix vehicles were produced during those model years.

The engineering analysis is a more in-depth investigation than the preliminary probe begun by NHTSA late last year, which covered just the 2006 model year.

It was expanded to the other model years after Toyota said the possible cause is an engine control unit used in the three model years.

An engineering analysis can lead to a recall but does not always.

Toyota says it has since upgraded the questionable part, and issued service bulletins to dealers to replace the engine control computer if vehicles failed to start or shifted harshly.

The automaker opted not to recall the vehicles, but said it is cooperating with the investigation.

Toyota received its first report of rough shifting in Corolla and Matrix models in November 2005.

In total, the automaker issued four technical service bulletins to dealers from 2005 to 2007 in connection with Corollas that failed to start. The bulletins advised dealers to replace the engine control computer, and said Toyota would pay for the repair if the vehicle had fewer than 80,000 miles.

Toyota faces at least a dozen lawsuits in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Minnesota, Florida and California over the issue.

In some of the lawsuits, dealerships identified the engine control unit as the source of stalling.

In November 2007, a Louisiana driver complained that the engine computer apparently failed, causing the brakes to lock up and the steering control to fail.

The driver hit a parking sign.

Toyota dismissed the complaint. "Even if the vehicle had stalled, the steering and brakes would still be operative and at the speed of 15-20 mph she should have been able to both steer and brake the vehicle," Toyota said in denying the claim.

The motorist's insurance company filed suit against Toyota seeking to recover $7,700 in medical bills and vehicle repairs.

Toyota estimated no more than 0.8 percent of engine control units -- eight vehicles out of 1,000 -- would fail over a 10-year-period.

The company doesn't believe the few failures constitute a safety defect, but seemed to acknowledge that the flaw can lead to stalling.


"We understand that some customers have been inconvenienced by engine ECU failure, and some have reported engine stalling," Chris Santucci, Toyota's manager for technical and regulator affairs, told NHTSA in a March 2 letter.

"It is our philosophy that when certain types of engine ECU failures occur, engine stall or shutdown is preferable as opposed to allowing the engine to become damaged or dangerous."

Separately, NHTSA is investigating 749,000 2009-2010 Corolla and Matrix vehicles for steering issues.

Toyota has issued two dealer bulletins. NHTSA opened its probe in February and hasn't decided whether to upgrade the investigation.
From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100...#ixzz0xfqJLYDh
Old Aug 25, 2010 | 10:33 PM
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From the article:

"It is our philosophy that when certain types of engine ECU failures occur, engine stall or shutdown is preferable as opposed to allowing the engine to become damaged or dangerous."

I suppose it is, but I guess that would be preferable to the car accelerating uncontrollably and killing everyone in the car too, huh Toyota? I'm still shocked that people are stupid enough to purchase a Toyota product at this point.
Old Aug 26, 2010 | 07:34 AM
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If this affects the Matrix, would it not also affect the Pontiac Vibe?

Toyota is taking the wrong attitude here, again. Every quality defect is the fault of the driver, not the company. They have a disturbing history of this.

Engine stalled? So what, you should've still been able to control the car.

Sudden, uncontrollable acceleration? You must be pressing the wrong pedals.

Engine sludge in your 4-cylinder? You must not be changing the oil often enough.

Weak/rusted frames and unibody structures on your FJ or truck? You're offroading the vehicle too hard, you're not maintaining your truck....

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Old Aug 26, 2010 | 08:17 AM
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If this affects the Matrix, would it not also affect the Pontiac Vibe?
I might dare say that GM has their own computer aboard the Vibe... so instead of Toyota programming it has GM programming. ???
Old Aug 26, 2010 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jcamere94z28
I might dare say that GM has their own computer aboard the Vibe... so instead of Toyota programming it has GM programming. ???
I don't see why GM would use their own ECM and programming when it was the Toyota 1.8L that went into all those cars. I was under the impression that the only GM pieces on the Vibe were the exterior panels, interior and badges. Furthermore, the Vibe was part of the Toyota recall for "SUA".

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Old Aug 26, 2010 | 12:46 PM
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I love it!!! So the computer can **** up and stall the engine, but not cause it to accelerate. Do they even think before they say this ****?
Old Aug 26, 2010 | 12:59 PM
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LOL! I just finally got your avatar.
Old Aug 26, 2010 | 03:10 PM
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...and now it's a recall...

http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/news/s...rticle=7528142
Old Aug 26, 2010 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Gripenfelter
LOL! I just finally got your avatar.
LOL! only took about a year for anyone to notice or comment!

I thought it was funny as well....thanks!
Old Aug 26, 2010 | 11:33 PM
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Now that something has been said...

Old Aug 27, 2010 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 95redLT1
LOL! only took about a year for anyone to notice or comment!

I thought it was funny as well....thanks!
Ooohhhhh. Now I get it. I always thought it was just a racing glove.
Old Aug 27, 2010 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 95redLT1
LOL! only took about a year for anyone to notice or comment!

I thought it was funny as well....thanks!
I noticed it a couple months ago. I didn't get it at first then I said to myself "why does the glove have 2 pink fingers... hey and that other one is..... OHHHHH!!!!! hehehe". Then I went on to assume that everyone else got it and I was late to the punchline.
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Originally Posted by JeremyNYR
I noticed it a couple months ago. I didn't get it at first then I said to myself "why does the glove have 2 pink fingers... hey and that other one is..... OHHHHH!!!!! hehehe". Then I went on to assume that everyone else got it and I was late to the punchline.

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