Actually, it's about 8-9 thousand dollars more than the Z28 was. It is no faster, yet consumes more fuel. This 3800lb porker is hardly a substitute for the Camaro. It's a more compelling proposition with the rebates that have recently appeared, as well as the '05 models w/ 400 HP, but it is still not cheap.

 

Yea & the SS Camaro was only 4,960 more then the GTO According to http://www.savvymotoring.com/rt_020805_02_camaro.htm

 

So now we are comparing a loaded SS CONVERTIBLE SPECIAL EDITION CAMARO to the GTO to show how affordable the GTO is? Shoot, why not throw in one of the $40,000 Berger camaros and call the GTO the bang for the buck champ? Brilliant logic.

From your own link: "The Z28 retails for $22,495 for the coupe" That makes the GTO about 10,000 dollars MORE, base MSRP to base MSRP. But hey, what's $10,000? An Aveo?

 

Your LT1 does not run 13.3 sec 1/4 mi @ 104 mph.

 

Compare apples to apples. Compare 2 cars equiped with similar options, and then get back to me.
Comparing a Z28 with manual windows and locks, cloth seats, and base radio is going to be much cheaper then a GTO.

 

So the fact that GM killed the Camaro and has no problem with stringing it's enthusiast along until there are no more is okay because we the rebadged, overpriced, gas guzzling, grand am looking, no new par setting, Holden Monaro with huge rebates because few people wanted the sumbitch for reasons I that somehow escape me?

 

No par setting? Can you get another quality car with 350hp for under 35k? No..no you cant.
Grand Am looking? Please. For some reason all Pontiacs look the same...as does BMW, MB....hey, they just might be on to something.
There is nothing out there in the GTO's class that can offer the quality and the power for the price.
But if you want to go ahead and get yourself a Mustang....enjoy your 8 years too late pony car. Im sure you will enjoy...whatever there is to enjoy in the car.

 

Where's your Camaro? You may find this new GM show car encouraging.... check out the link.

GM Show Car

 

That is NOT the new Camaro. People in GM has already said that for sure.

 

I never said that it was.. you have to read between the lines.

 

Whats your point?
Exactomundo Going to college now, so I'm glad a new Camaro isn't coming out as I can't afford one. But I will in a few years here, and if a Camaro isn't around to satisfy me then I'm taking my business elsewhere, fawk waiting. Business is business and time is money.
The thing is, the SS Camaro's didn't have the bulk of sales. Most of the people here who want their affordable performance RWD coupe aren't going to spend north of $33K. They want their normal Z28s for ~$25K. This is the argument, GM has nothing right now. Your the ones that brought the GTO into the argument, but now you want to compare apples to apples? The GTO and Camaro are not apples to apples Werm is dead on on this one.

 

We're so stupid for wanting a camaro, i guess we should all go buy mustangs That might be a good idea, a 03 or 04 cobra will probaby be at a good price then.

TONY

 

Jeebus...

While I do agree that the bitching and whining has increased here recently and it has gotten quite tiring, I still find that statement pretty ignorant.

People are just getting impatient, that's all. Bitching and whining over here doesn't help much, though, since GM will update us once they are ready with some news.

I'm keeping the faith.

TS

 

Kudos for still trying

Perhaps we could pin a thread at the top explaining what posts should NOT be made on this site, something like:

1.a. I'm pissed, where's the Camaro.
1.b. GM ignores enthusiast base.
2. GTO looks like a Grand Am.
3. What do you want in your 5th gen.

And encourage the newer ones to simply do a search. This is getting a little tiring. I swear, if there is one more person who will post that GM ignores its enthusiasts and where's the Camaro.... I'm going to do something bad.

 

I'm sure it'll be back. I don't get why they had a 2004 camaro prototype back since like 1998-1999 when i figured they were gonna be stopping production soon. I would think if they came out with a new model it would be a 2003 Camaro, not 2004.

I do think GM should try to hurry up a lil but because some of the only Camaro guys are gonna go to the stangs and will start to like them, they're gonna lose some customers i'm sure, but maybe they'll come right back when the new one comes back. People do tend to buy a car just cuz its a new model whether its a rerelease or not. I'm fine with it, i got my 02 Z and i'm happy with it, if a 2007 or whatever year does come back i'm probably gonna wait a year or two for them to work out any problems with them.

And go buy a stang?..... i'll never buy a ford, if no camaro comes back hopefully the new replacement is good. If no Camaro comes back and i want a newer sports car then the vette is my pick, i take the vette over the viper for some reason, i'd rather put the extra money into modding and be loyal to chevy. If that is what ends up happening, no Camaro, i'd probably rather buy a LS1 or LS2 and swap it into a first gen. No money besides the engine cost for chevy in that scenario though. Thats my pick though. Camaro's still live on for me, a new one that lives up to its name would be nice though.