I just see a 4 door magnum or a rebodied 300C. i

dcx... MAKE A FREAKING COUPE ALREADY...


The new Charger looks like the 300C's invalid brother that has been locked up in the addick and fed buckets of fish heads . It even grew a ugly hump!

 

Even though I wasn't even old enough to be interested in cars much less the Charger,but that is as some have said that is no Charger.I was 5yrs old when the last real Charger was out('74).This is 1975 and the 80's all over again.

 

At least the front end is better than the Magnums...

I'm surprised by the backlash...I don't think it looks that bad at all. I kinda like it, but think it should be called Magnum. I think a coupe version with a little more visual pizazz would be awesome...

 

Unless the Charger ends up somehow being significantly faster than the 300C or Magnum RT, I don't think dad's going to be smoking any Mustang GTs anytime soon unless he's got the upcoming SRT/8.

 

20-somethings arent the target audience for the new Charger, but dads who use to have Camaros and Mustangs when younger and now need 4 doors.

Charger = "NASCAR DAD"

 

Right on! GTO is way better then this 4 door Magnum.

 

Well I'm glad that you realize Muscle cars originated from family sedans... and I'm glad you realize muscle cars happend by accident and not on purpose... I'm also glad you know that the first muscle cars were marketed as Family, Luxury styled vehicles.... included the 1964 1/2 Mustang...I'm glad you know all of these things... and that's why you stated that the charger was nothing like a sedan... although... it was originally marketed as a "luxury" Sport vehicle.and Luxury style was an original intent of it's design... think of the Charger as Gm's Cadilliac CTS of Today.... good day to you pal!

Back to the original comments...

I like the new charger it follows thew old one well...it has more sedan styling... oh wait... "why put 4 doors on a sports car???" ..any how it's cool

 

This post show how little you really do know about Muscle Cars.

The muscle car was not something that happened by accident as you put it.

Let me give a little background. It is a somewhat known fact the the "Muscle Car" was created by Pontiac back in 1964. The dramatic moment so to speak took place out at the GM proving grounds. You see in those days the divisions all had their own garages, their own facilities, which they still do, but not nearly as pronounced.

In early 1963 John DeLorean had a habit of holding what he called his "what if" sessions out at the proving grounds. He would prepare special things to have out there. He'd invite his top-level engineers and some from the sales department that he felt were product oriented. On this particular day they had a prototype 64 Tempest, it was not even a LeMans. John DeLorean and two of his engineers were standing under this car looking at whatever they were looking at. And one of the engineers said, sort of half-joking, "you know John" it would take us about a half-hour to stick a 389 in this thing" DeLorean thought about it for awhile, and they exchanged agreeing glances. The very next week at the "what if" sessions they had it at the proving grounds. DeLorean kept the car as his personal car. The car was so much fun to drive that when he loaned it to friends, he could never seem to get the car back.

In his autobiograpy he says. "I priced it out and convinced Pete Estes (Pontiac general manager) the we should put it on the market." He says he felt the young guys were the ones who wanted to drive exciting cars, but they couldn't afford them. By the time they got older and could afford exciting cars, they had become too old and conservative to enjoy them. DeLorean got the go ahead on the project. The rest is history as they say. So to recap, Muscle Cars were not originally marketed to "families" as the family car. Nor were they 4 door sedans.

The 1964 Mustang was not classified as a Muscle Car, but as you already know a new genre call the Pony car. Which was created with the introducion of the Mustang. This included as time went on the Barracuda, Challenger, Firebird, Camaro, etc. Only later around 1969 when Ford began to slap in big 428 and 429 engines was the Mustang more of a Muscle Car so to speak.

You could make the argument that the first "Muscle Cars" were the 409 Impala's, 421 Catalina's, 406 Ford Galaxies, etc. Like you said, big family sedans, but not many came equipped with those big engines. They were the exception rather than the rule. The Muscle Car in its purist form was based on a mid-size platform rather than the full-size cars that earlier performance models had been based on.



Anyways thanks for listening.

 

Wow, and people accuse us of putting truck grilles on our cars! EEK!

Front end needs to be about a foot lower, and oh yeah, lose the rear doors.

Charger my foot.

 

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

Heck, it used to be a 2 door Coronet!

 

I like it,when i think of Chargers,i think of the black '68 from Bullitt and how menacing it was,this new car looks mean. I hate black cars,but that black Charger pic looks evil,i love it!
I love every kind of car,from import to american muscle,so i browse lots of different message boards. The one thing in common with all these message boards is that when the first pics of whatever car comes out,EVERYONE seems to despise the new car,then over time,EVERYONE calms down and they start loving the car. The freshalloy.com people hated the 350Z,the corvetteforum people hated the C6,the mustang boards were in an uproar over the concept mustang and then the production mustang,VWvortex people hated the new GTI............then,people calmed down,started sorting the rumors from facts,they actually started seeing the car in person,they actually DROVE the cars,and then the people started buying the cars and liking the cars. It's actually quite funny. Sure this is a F-body forum,but the Charger is american muscle. Sure,not all new cars catch on,the current eclipse isn't as sporty as the earlier cars,the GTO may take awhile to catch on.
I'd say it's a good sign the Charger is getting such passionate reaction,we could just ignore it,but there's now there's 3 pages devoted to it on a Camaro message board,i'd say that Dodge is liking the attention. I predict this same board will be praising this car in a years time. The Dodge people said they didn't want lukewarm cars,they wanted a hot or cold reaction to their cars,i'd say they hit their mark. I WANT A HEMI CHARGER,IN BLACK(and i hate black cars)

 

That's tgh ugliest car I've ever seen, perhaps even more than the 300C and Magnum.

 

I do agree that 2004 seems to be the starting point again for the Muscle Car wars. I for one for never thought I would see the day again. I'm glad they are back actually. New GTO, Charger, Mustang, another Camaro type car in 2007 or 08. I just believe that a 4 door Chrysler car with the name Charger seems like they missed the boat on this one. But I also believe it will sell quite well. When I think "American" muscle car a 4 door doesn't come to mind. Usually in the "hobby" a 4 door is a parts car.

Now all we need is a Buick GSX and I wish we had a 442.

 

That's very cool! Thanks for the tidbits...

 

2 too many doors.....