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Old Oct 30, 2003 | 10:20 AM
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Holy s***, that car rocks!
Old Oct 30, 2003 | 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by ProudPony
I personally think that car lokks fantastic.
The ground effects are profound yet not gaudy, and the car definitely says to the viewer "I am not typical".
That car should come to the dealerships.

An interesting side note...
I find it curious why Pontiac, with all the recent hype about performance, new models with ***** and pizazz, the intro of the GTO, the "We build Excitement" slogan , and so on... why would they pull out of NASCAR? They won 2 of the last 3 championships for chrissake? Tony Stewart is the reigning champion and he is in a Pontiac right now. Why would GM pull Pontiac from one of the best advertising venues for performance vehicles?

I just don't understand some of the things that big business does these days...
Very simple answer: Image.
Another simple answer: NASCAR's become a money pit & it's rules that made every car identical has made it useless to car manufactures (since the same few outside companies make all the parts for NASCAR vehicles).

NASCAR also is not a cost-effective showcase for Pontiac because it promotes drivers and sponsors more than vehicle manufacturers, said Sam Scott of Sports Management Network, a sports marketing firm in Bloomfield Hills.
Setting my own bias against NASCAR aside, NASCAR is more a Chevrolet type of series than it is a division that is moving both upscale and towards "excitement". Chevrolet is more of a generic division (save the Corvette and the upcoming Impala SS) and NASCAR is a generic race.

I'd expect Pontiac to move into competition where it's cars actually compete against other brands and the cars they have on the track are much like their cars in the showrooms (save performance parts available from GM's factory "aftermarket".

Pontiac's withdrawal ends a 50-year association with NASCAR and comes as the division looks to reclaim its "excitement" image through a host of new products, including the revival of the GTO muscle car, the Grand Am replacement known as the G6, and a series of performance models that will carry the GXP badge.
Let's be 100% honest here. Though NASCAR has great drivers, and it may be fun to watch the skill these drivers have in cars that are identical, regardless of make, NASCAR simply isn't "stock car" racing, it has nothing to do with actual car brands or the companies that make them, & it has no influence on car sales except to those who know no better.

"Clearly there are more opportunities to reach more of an audience and (a) more upscale audience," (Sam) Scott (of Sports Management Network) said. "With new cars coming out that lend themselves to other types of racing, Pontiac can better demonstrate those models."
http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...b01-310487.htm

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Old Oct 30, 2003 | 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by ProudPony
Tony Stewart is the reigning champion and he is in a Pontiac right now. Why would GM pull Pontiac from one of the best advertising venues for performance vehicles?
Isn't Stewart under Joe Gibbs Racing? Someone mentioned that they were pulling out of Pontiac. Make more sense now?
Old Oct 30, 2003 | 10:40 AM
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Sunfire, Grand Am, Vibe, GP
Old Oct 30, 2003 | 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by ProudPony
I personally think that car lokks fantastic.
The ground effects are profound yet not gaudy, and the car definitely says to the viewer "I am not typical".
That car should come to the dealerships.

An interesting side note...
I find it curious why Pontiac, with all the recent hype about performance, new models with ***** and pizazz, the intro of the GTO, the "We build Excitement" slogan , and so on... why would they pull out of NASCAR? They won 2 of the last 3 championships for chrissake? Tony Stewart is the reigning champion and he is in a Pontiac right now. Why would GM pull Pontiac from one of the best advertising venues for performance vehicles?

I just don't understand some of the things that big business does these days...
Yes they one 2 of the past 3 championships, but the drivers that won those championships (Bobby Labonte and Tony Stewart), and the car owner (Joe Gibbs) switched to Chevy the beginning of the 2003 season. The highest running pontiac in the standing is in 24th position. Yes it is sad to go, but I think it is necessary to get Pontiac to where they want to be.
Old Oct 30, 2003 | 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by guionM


Let's be 100% honest here. Though NASCAR has great drivers, and it may be fun to watch the skill these drivers have in cars that are identical, regardless of make, NASCAR simply isn't "stock car" racing, it has nothing to do with actual car brands or the companies that make them, & it has no influence on car sales except to those who know no better.
I want to know your proof on how Nascar racing does not sell Monte Carlo's, Grand Prix's and other Chevy and Pontiac Products.

So why did the owner of this Monte Carlo Buy this car?




Heck, what about the Dale Earnhardt MC, or the Jeff Gordon MC, even the Pace Car replicas offered by the Monte Carlo and the Grand Prix?? You're telling me that everyone that bought those cars bought it because they 1) Wanted a Monte or GP to begin with, and 2) felt satisified with previous GM products that they decided to buy thouse cars??? if that were that case, why did they spend the extra $3000 on a graphics package. And off all the Millions of people that watch Nascar, not ONE bought a car or truck because either their manufacturer was in Nascar, or that their favorite driver drives a Chevy or a Dodge???
Old Oct 31, 2003 | 12:31 AM
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I guess that engine is the LS4
Or maybe LH6.
Old Oct 31, 2003 | 02:07 AM
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I would actually get that car, the new GP's as a whole arent bad.
Old Oct 31, 2003 | 06:43 AM
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If that car came with a manual trans, I know where my CC rebate would be going to. It's one of the first 4-door GM products in a while that I like.

If Pontiac wants to compete against BMW, MB, etc., it makes sence for them to pull out of NASCAR and put that effort into other racing series like Speed WC, ALMS, etc. Speaking as a BMW fan and former owner, die hard Bimmerheads have little to no interest in NASCAR. They do however follow racing series that show the car's ability on road courses. Putting Pontiacs against them would be good publicity.
Old Oct 31, 2003 | 07:33 AM
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Originally posted by Frank D
If that car came with a manual trans, I know where my CC rebate would be going to. It's one of the first 4-door GM products in a while that I like.

No stick, but the paddle shift option is at least an alternative...

I've been meaning to go test drive a GTP just to see how that works... I've never driven one before.
Old Oct 31, 2003 | 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by Donutboy97
I want to know your proof on how Nascar racing does not sell Monte Carlo's, Grand Prix's and other Chevy and Pontiac Products.

So why did the owner of this Monte Carlo Buy this car?




Heck, what about the Dale Earnhardt MC, or the Jeff Gordon MC, even the Pace Car replicas offered by the Monte Carlo and the Grand Prix?? You're telling me that everyone that bought those cars bought it because they 1) Wanted a Monte or GP to begin with, and 2) felt satisified with previous GM products that they decided to buy thouse cars??? if that were that case, why did they spend the extra $3000 on a graphics package. And off all the Millions of people that watch Nascar, not ONE bought a car or truck because either their manufacturer was in Nascar, or that their favorite driver drives a Chevy or a Dodge???
Special extremely limited edition Monte Carlos and the other 99.9% of Monte Carlo sales are 2 entirely different birds.

I'll prove my point on MC sales as soon as you produce someone who rushed out Monday morning after Dale Earnhart won a race on Sunday & bought a Monte Carlo LS simply because of Dale Earnhart's (or any other Monte Carlo NASCAR race driver's) win.

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