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Old Jan 5, 2003 | 11:11 AM
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Does Bob Lutz know that Chevy is part of GM?

Generally speaking I'm pretty disappointed in Chevy's offerings this year (concepts and production).

The SS is okay, but if it is really a Camaro in disguise...I personally would reject it.

There just doesn't seem to be the focus at Chevy that say...Pontiac has.

Does good ole' Bob know that Chevy is also part of GM?
Old Jan 5, 2003 | 12:28 PM
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Come on....what's the SSR? and and and and....the SSR?

I feel you though. Chevy "used" to be the leader. You've still got the vette.
Old Jan 5, 2003 | 12:53 PM
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It's true, trought I think that the SS concept can become the next Camaro with 2 DOORS, From what I have seen GM is moving in a "Slow" pace, I am dissapointed also
Maybe is time to move on, keep my Maro but move on..
Maybe a next Stang or Altima
Way to go GM keep making Cars like Silverado SS, Trailblazer SS, and the SSR Now we will have SUV "SS"
Old Jan 5, 2003 | 01:10 PM
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I was gonna post the same thing, but I figured I'd get bashed by everyone else. It seems like everything good is Pontiac. Pontiac gets the Solstice, GTO, G6 concept, Grand Prix, etc. etc. All with awesome interiors that don't even look GM, while Chevy gets the **** end of the deal. Malibu Pontiac definately needed some work and it looks like their getting it, but don't neglect the other brands... All in all I'm happy for Pontiac and it looks like GM is finally heading in the right direction... Maybe next year we'll have the C6 and a Camaro Concept to make up for this year
Old Jan 5, 2003 | 01:16 PM
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Come on....what's the SSR? and and and and....the SSR?
The SSR is just Chevy's version of Ford's T-bird with a little different spin. I laugh when people condemn the SSR as being a cruiser with no performance yet people somehow overlook the Thunderbird. I'd also expect Chevy to put more power in the SSR in a year or two.
Old Jan 5, 2003 | 01:30 PM
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I would think this is because Pontiac needs more help than Chevy. Outside of the absence of a Camaro, what needs to be addressed immediately? They have the great Corvette, and great selling Impala, Cavalier, and Malibu. Flat out, Pontiac has more holes and needs an image makeover. I think he came out a while back and said he was going to address Pontiac first. I wouldn't be surprised if Buick and Saturn get more attention next before Chevy. I don't see what there is to complain or worry about.
Old Jan 5, 2003 | 01:59 PM
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The SSR is just Chevy's version of Ford's T-bird with a little different spin. I laugh when people condemn the SSR as being a cruiser with no performance yet people somehow overlook the Thunderbird. I'd also expect Chevy to put more power in the SSR in a year or two.
But a big difference is that Ford is not calling it the Thunderbird SS or Thunderbird R and I don't believe the show car had a larger engine than the production car.
Old Jan 5, 2003 | 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by jrp4uc
I would think this is because Pontiac needs more help than Chevy. Outside of the absence of a Camaro, what needs to be addressed immediately? They have the great Corvette, and great selling Impala, Cavalier, and Malibu. Flat out, Pontiac has more holes and needs an image makeover. I think he came out a while back and said he was going to address Pontiac first. I wouldn't be surprised if Buick and Saturn get more attention next before Chevy. I don't see what there is to complain or worry about.
I'll give you the Impala...it's selling well. The Cavalier is old, we'll see what it's replacement looks like (hopefully, the guys who drew the Ion were fired). As far as the new Malibu....don't even get me started. Mechanically it should be a decent piece...but it's looks are devoid of any appeal whatsoever.

I'm not sure that I like the design direction that Chevy Trucks are headed towards either.

Oh....did I mention that some of us are waiting for a new Camaro.

I am really worried about Chevy...they seem to be completely missing the mark on everything!
Old Jan 5, 2003 | 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by Z28Wilson
The SSR is just Chevy's version of Ford's T-bird with a little different spin. I laugh when people condemn the SSR as being a cruiser with no performance yet people somehow overlook the Thunderbird. I'd also expect Chevy to put more power in the SSR in a year or two.
I was being sarcastic about chevy's new offerings when i mentioned the SSR. I know what it is.
Old Jan 5, 2003 | 04:22 PM
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Re: Does Bob Lutz know that Chevy is part of GM?

Originally posted by Z284ever
Generally speaking I'm pretty disappointed in Chevy's offerings this year (concepts and production).

The SS is okay, but if it is really a Camaro in disguise...I personally would reject it.

There just doesn't seem to be the focus at Chevy that say...Pontiac has.

Does good ole' Bob know that Chevy is also part of GM?
If it is a hint at the next camaro, I hope they change a few things here and there... here is my attempt at a photoshop of the SS as the next camaro
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...59761057eBYnKB
Old Jan 5, 2003 | 08:13 PM
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But a big difference is that Ford is not calling it the Thunderbird SS or Thunderbird R
I think you said yourself that the SS moniker is currently taking on the form of simply an appearance-type package rather than all-out performance. Whatever it's called I don't see Chevy pushing it as an overly stout performer, do you?

and I don't believe the show car had a larger engine than the production car.
The original concept had a 6 liter making 300 HP. The production version has the 5.3 making 290. It isn't a huge difference. I say again, Chevy is not pushing the SSR as a stout performer. It's a boulevard cruiser just like the much-praised Thunderbird. How ironic.
Old Jan 5, 2003 | 08:24 PM
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Actually...I don't think the SSR is Chevy's T-bird at all. I think it's Chevy's Prowler. Remember how anemic the Prowler was?? But yet still had a nice following? The SSR will be the same. I think there's room for a Bel Air to compete with the T-Bird.

-Rich
Old Jan 6, 2003 | 01:40 AM
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Lightbulb Re: Does Bob Lutz know that Chevy is part of GM?

Originally posted by Z284ever
Generally speaking I'm pretty disappointed in Chevy's offerings this year (concepts and production)...
...?

What about the Z06? Chevy's had it for over 2 years, with great 'prospective' specs revealed for the replacement. It isn't for everyone, but with the other vehicles in the lineup (Impala, for one) selling so well, Chevy's present, and future look pretty good compared to the other GM divisions.
Old Jan 6, 2003 | 02:16 AM
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"Does Bob Lutz know that Chevy is part of GM?"

I don't think he does, at least not now. As mentioned previously, he wants to help other divisons 1st because they suppossedly aren't as strong. As if Chevrolet was doing THAT great right now and had SO many good selling, desirable cars, and didn't need anything at this time. If it was me, I think I might wanna get the strongest most important division going better 1st to lead the way so I could then focus on the other stuff and still be achieving success at the same time, instead of leaving it mediocre or less than that while playing around with other divisions that never sell as much and aren't as much of a priority.

And I'd really like for them to build their own cars again instead of having to go to different countries to get them.
Old Jan 6, 2003 | 05:23 AM
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"If it was me, I think I might wanna get the strongest most important division going better 1st to lead the way so I could then focus on the other stuff and still be achieving success at the same time, instead of leaving it mediocre or less than that while playing around with other divisions that never sell as much and aren't as much of a priority."

You'd make a great car guy, but a sucky business man. Gm is playing it smart by improving its other divisions. I'm no business expert either, but with a company as big as Gm, I'd want all my divisions to be doing mediocre, then have one great division and crappy others. What happens if that one great division gets into some law-suit and loses credibility? You're in the crap hole. Look at Ford. You either help out all your divisions or let the original owners of the company keep doing what they do best. IE Volvo Since Gm runs the whole show of course they want to have all their divisions mediocre bringing in the money.

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