just getting an idea of who here thinks that the z28, and camaro as a whole, can undercut the mustang in price?
with chevy's recent pricing (hhr), it looks like it might be possible
also, since the firebird seems to not be coming back, it could leave some money left on the table instead of producing different wheels and bodypanels for each car
so what do you think?

(put this here since we have no idea or clue (afaik) of what the price will be)

 

no, i don't think so. at least not by a significant # to make really any difference..

Honestly, I kinda hope they would put higher quality/better engineered stuff in the Camaro.... For example, a beefy drivetrain that didn't have to rely on Torque Management to survive, better suspension design.. beefier brakes stock.. etc.

 

I dont thinks its chevy's plan to sell a car less expensive..hopefully its their plan to make a better car.

 

Agreed. That's why it will cost more (even a little) than the Mustang.

 

I think they could because research and design costs of the Zeta architcture will be spread around on multiple vehicles. Just so long as it isnt a niche car.

 

I will be be in absolute shock if GM cn match the Mustang GT at the very base level option for option and cost the Mustangs loaded $24995 or less . A base loaded 2005 is cheaper than loaded cloth interior non-t-top 2002 Z28 . Sticker price for sticker price .

 

You know, I'd like to THINK they can.... Zeta platform outta sell A LOT more units than the Mustangs platform (just Mustang and Lincoln LS, right?) since it should be on so many cars.... but short of the HHR, I've been fairly disappointed in the pricepoints for a lot of the stuff GM has been putting out...

Maybe it's just me, but MSRP's seem to be a tad on the high stuff... I suppose this is some of the recoil from the rebate game. (Though, again, HHR's pricepoint was a pleasant surprise)


I guess I'm on the fence.... yes, I think they SHOULD be able to do it... but I'm not sure if it will actually happen.

 

Niche usually means more cash for less volume.

 

Like many others, I sure hope they could do it. But..., if the higher price means improved quality, I'm all for it.

TS

 

No way. Not with IRS, or decent to good standard equipment listetc... The new v6 mustang is barely any more expensive than the F4 camaro v6 which was poorly equipped in standard form. If the F5 v6 model is to have a decent standard equipement list (which is a must nowadays) to match mustang, then i don't see it undercutting v6 mustang i price. Also, an Ls2 z28 with a decent standard equipment list and IRS will not go for 24,XXXX dollars like the GT imo.

I personally don't care because i'm willing to pay little more for a better car anyday of the week. And so i hope GM doesn't cheap out on camaro just so they can undercut mustang in pricing.

 

I think they will have to. I mean look at DCX and how they got there RWD, IRS, OHC V6 and expensive Hemi V8 to the prices they are at.
With the Zeta chassis being used to vastly, that I think Chevy can draw from the parts bin enough to keep costs down. Cheaper pushrod engines, wide use of transmissons. But the use of higher performance stuff such found on a Z28 will deffinatly add to the cost. Large cross drilled rotors with bigger calipers, combined with the seats, etc, could add greatly to the cost of a Z28 over a base V6 Camaro.
It would depend on what model, but I think for the most point Chevy could keep right in line with the Mustang, maybe have it a slightly higher price point, but offer much more performance per buck.

 

What a company can do............ and will do........... are two very different things.

Unless GM completely changes their pricing philosophy, I can see the Camaro being quite a bit more expensive than the Mustang. There current think is to build the future rebates into the MSRP with the hope that there is enough pent up demand to pay the artificially high MSRP at the beginning. This way, they milk the cow for all they can.

Some may point to the GTO and say that the pricing is not this way on this car. The big difference being that the GTO is built on an ancient platform (for Australia), thus it is paid for.

GM has already said they will not make money on the Saturn Sky.............. how many vehicles built on new platforms (that are not paid for yet) can you afford to lose money on???

Ford has changed their way of pricing. They prefer to have low MSRP's, and let the product make its money on options. They are also trying to keep rebates very low to non existant. This way of doing business has proven itself to work.............. case in point the redesigned F150 (where cost to produce went up over $1K, but actual price only went up a few dollars), 500/Montego (full size interior and AWD for the price of the competitions midsize FWD), and Mustang.

Just two different ways at looking at the same equation. Time will tell which works better.

 

HUH?

Just taking a quick glance of the incentives on '05 Fords shows that they are offering just as much as GM...

 

Even if they could, they wouldn't because GM is greedy beyond any of our imaginations.

Back in the 70s, GM and Ford were reeling from the Japanese invasion, they got a reprieve with some tariffs by the government. Did they take that advantage and invest in quality...No. They just pocketed the cash and snickered at everybody.

Don't count on it, because they don't care. They really don't want to compete with the Mustang in price or market segment, it is very tough and margins are too tight.

 

Just a wild guess, because of IRS vs the live axle, I'm guessing the base Camaro will be more expensive than the base Mustang, while the upper models will probally be similar.