I don't know how people can say it is underpowered. It has the same as the C5 which was 20k more. The '05 mustang GT has 50 less hp so that must be a total flop. You think thats underpowered, try my LO3

 

I don't think power had anything to do with it. Overall, in the big scheme of things, having more power might help some, but I don't think it will be a big deal (except to those of us that live and breath HP).

 

I don't think that horsepower was an issue. A $33K car before a solid $5K markup (here in MA anyway) really pissed potential GTO customers off. It essentially made the car $38K before tax!!! Once the BS greedy dealer markup disappeared, and GM started doing incentives, the GTO became a much more attractive car to most people, myself included. Now your talking <$30K, a major improvement.

 

What pisses me off is that this car isn't available in Canada!!

My wife and I are looking to buy a RWD 300+hp car and we have nothing up here but the '05 Mustang and the Chrysler 300C which are selling like hotcakes.

 

You are VERY wrong. Prices just released today.

2005 A4 - Msrp $34,295

A4 base msrp = $32,295
+ $700 Destination
+ $1,300 Gas Guzzle Tax
=$34,295

2005 M6- Msrp $33,690

M6 base msrp = $32,295
+ $700 Destination
+ $695 6-speed Transmission
=$33,690

Or about $500 more MSRP than a '04 M6.

 

It isn't underpowered...you know it, I know it, and most people here know it. But because its barely as fast as an F body (but better than it in every other way save styling and the lack of t-tops), people will slam it...

The '04 GTO is the best unloved car GM has ever built. The shame is that its unloved.

 

Are scoops a no-cost option? IMO, it should cost $5k for thoes horrible looking turds on that hood. Anyone who wants to ruin the smooth design of the GTO with some crap like that should have to pay the price.

As for the 04 GTO being "underpowerd".....again, the Mustang runs the same times as the GTO, yet the Mustang's times are "impressive" and "underrated". But lets not start that here.
I would LOVE to get my hands on a GTO! I wish GM put the rebate on the GTO the same time I was in the Chevy showroom. I would be very tempted to cross the lot to the Pontiac lot.

 

AH. Excellent. Then the "rumors" of only a slight price bump were true.

 

Hmmm....according to www.pontiac.com, the base price of the 2004 is $32,495. The price you quote for the base 2005 GTO is $200 less.

For the A4, adding $695 destination and $1000 gas guzzler (again, number given by www.pointiac.com) gets you an 04 GTO for $34,190 - meaning the A4 2005 GTO is $105 more than an A4 2004 GTO.

For the M6, adding $695 destination and $695 M6 gets you an 04 GTO for $33,885 - meaning the M6 2005 GTO is $195 more than an M6 2004 GTO.

This assumes your numbers are correct - and Pontiac's website.

 

Sounds like you are adding destination twice.

Here's my '04 GTO breakdown:
Base price:....31795
M6:.................695
Destination:......700
Total:...........33190

Its similar for the A4 GTO's as they are about $800 more because the extra $300 increase this year in gas guzzler tax.

 

Anything is possible, but I got those prices directly from Pontiac's website.

Where is the new pricing info on the 05s?

 

I got my prices right off the sticker June built, bought in September.

Anyway, prices for the '05 are in the AutoBook (the ordering guide used to build and transmit orders to GM) which came out today. This is the book used by dealers.

 

I agree on the scoops, they look like crap. If they came out like that Judge concept, on the other hand...

As for the comparison to the Mustang? the thing with the GTO, it's underpowered for the price. And you comparing it to Mustang is a good point.

For a 300hp, $26k car, 13.5 is a really quick time, and underrated.
For a 350hp, $35k car, 13.5 is so so and not really worth all that extra money.

This goes even further to prove my point that the GTO is the right car at the wrong price. Sell the GTO for the price of the Mustang and watch them fly off the lots. Hell, even a Magnum RT MSRPs at 29,995. GTO priced itself out of it's own class.

 

Jason,

The problem with your assessment is that you assume a matching 1/4 mile time automatically assumes the Mustang is a comparable car to a GTO, and that the only way to measure the worth of these cars is to run them in a straight line.

With all due respect, if you don't see the flaw in that logic...GTO is about so much more than a 1/4 mile time. I don't care how fresh or new the 'Stang is...it is NOT as good of a car as a GTO.

Period.

 

GTO is much more car than Mustang GT, the only Mustang that can compare when it comes to handling is 2003 Cobra with IRS. Cobra is much closer to GTO in price, but it does have a power advantage of about 70 HP over 2004 GTO. The new GTO will bring that gap much closer together, and it will be interesting to read comparisons (should they ever come out) between those two cars in 1/4 mi and road courses.