CTS 3.6 V6=no manual, 3.2 V6= manual
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CTS 3.6 V6=no manual, 3.2 V6= manual
Automotive News / March 27, 2003
General Motors' new 3.6-liter, V-6 engine will make its debut in all 2004 Cadillac CTS models with automatic transmission, the automaker said on Thursday.
Manual transmission models will come with the CTS' current 3.2-liter V-6.
GM began production of the engine Thursday at its St. Catharines, Ontario, engine plant.
The car will arrive in showrooms in the third quarter, GM said. Pricing has not been announced.
The engine is the first of GM's new global family of V-6s to be produced for performance vehicles. It produces 255 hp at 6,200 rpm and 252 lb-ft of torque at 3,200 rpm.
GM plans to use the engine in 2004 or 2005 versions of the Cadillac SRX sport-utility and Buick Rendezvous Ultra.
The engine has variable valve timing on both intake and exhaust valves, which GM says improves fuel economy and lowers emissions. The technology also gives the engine peak torque over a larger rpm range compared with its current V-6s.
The new engine delivers 35 more hp and 34 more ft.-lb. of torque than the CTS' current V-6, but GM said it gets the same fuel economy of 18 mpg for the city and 26 mpg on the highway.
General Motors' new 3.6-liter, V-6 engine will make its debut in all 2004 Cadillac CTS models with automatic transmission, the automaker said on Thursday.
Manual transmission models will come with the CTS' current 3.2-liter V-6.
GM began production of the engine Thursday at its St. Catharines, Ontario, engine plant.
The car will arrive in showrooms in the third quarter, GM said. Pricing has not been announced.
The engine is the first of GM's new global family of V-6s to be produced for performance vehicles. It produces 255 hp at 6,200 rpm and 252 lb-ft of torque at 3,200 rpm.
GM plans to use the engine in 2004 or 2005 versions of the Cadillac SRX sport-utility and Buick Rendezvous Ultra.
The engine has variable valve timing on both intake and exhaust valves, which GM says improves fuel economy and lowers emissions. The technology also gives the engine peak torque over a larger rpm range compared with its current V-6s.
The new engine delivers 35 more hp and 34 more ft.-lb. of torque than the CTS' current V-6, but GM said it gets the same fuel economy of 18 mpg for the city and 26 mpg on the highway.
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Re: CTS 3.6 V6=no manual, 3.2 V6= manual
Originally posted by guionM
Automotive News / March 27, 2003
General Motors' new 3.6-liter, V-6 engine will make its debut in all 2004 Cadillac CTS models with automatic transmission, the automaker said on Thursday.
Manual transmission models will come with the CTS' current 3.2-liter V-6.
GM began production of the engine Thursday at its St. Catharines, Ontario, engine plant.
The car will arrive in showrooms in the third quarter, GM said. Pricing has not been announced.
The engine is the first of GM's new global family of V-6s to be produced for performance vehicles. It produces 255 hp at 6,200 rpm and 252 lb-ft of torque at 3,200 rpm.
GM plans to use the engine in 2004 or 2005 versions of the Cadillac SRX sport-utility and Buick Rendezvous Ultra.
The engine has variable valve timing on both intake and exhaust valves, which GM says improves fuel economy and lowers emissions. The technology also gives the engine peak torque over a larger rpm range compared with its current V-6s.
The new engine delivers 35 more hp and 34 more ft.-lb. of torque than the CTS' current V-6, but GM said it gets the same fuel economy of 18 mpg for the city and 26 mpg on the highway.
Automotive News / March 27, 2003
General Motors' new 3.6-liter, V-6 engine will make its debut in all 2004 Cadillac CTS models with automatic transmission, the automaker said on Thursday.
Manual transmission models will come with the CTS' current 3.2-liter V-6.
GM began production of the engine Thursday at its St. Catharines, Ontario, engine plant.
The car will arrive in showrooms in the third quarter, GM said. Pricing has not been announced.
The engine is the first of GM's new global family of V-6s to be produced for performance vehicles. It produces 255 hp at 6,200 rpm and 252 lb-ft of torque at 3,200 rpm.
GM plans to use the engine in 2004 or 2005 versions of the Cadillac SRX sport-utility and Buick Rendezvous Ultra.
The engine has variable valve timing on both intake and exhaust valves, which GM says improves fuel economy and lowers emissions. The technology also gives the engine peak torque over a larger rpm range compared with its current V-6s.
The new engine delivers 35 more hp and 34 more ft.-lb. of torque than the CTS' current V-6, but GM said it gets the same fuel economy of 18 mpg for the city and 26 mpg on the highway.
And bear in mind, I say this - especially since it's going in a Caddy - because the price is somewhat irrelevant with the Caddy lineup. Does the typical Caddy buyer really care about an additional grand or less for a premium engine in a performance -oriented car? Color me puzzled on this one.
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Re: CTS 3.6 V6=no manual, 3.2 V6= manual
A V6 CTS might still have a manual transmission, but it would have to be for a smaller displacement/lower torque version. GM currently offers a 2.6 liter version of the CTS for the European market, something that could easily be replaced by the 2.8 liter version of the new motor. However, they gave up on the idea of selling more than a handful overseas. That idea of serious CTS exports died when Lutz nixed the idea of volume sales in Europe over the issue of low interior quality.
I suppose they could resurrent the diminished European export program, if they ignored the lack of a decent distribution network and a low-credibility nameplate. Any Cadillac is an obscure joke in Europe, but would a depowered, stick-shift CTS be a seller in the U.S?
I suppose they could resurrent the diminished European export program, if they ignored the lack of a decent distribution network and a low-credibility nameplate. Any Cadillac is an obscure joke in Europe, but would a depowered, stick-shift CTS be a seller in the U.S?
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Why do car companies always assume we want manual transmissions only with the lowest horsepower engine available? This may be true in a $12,000 economy car (for cost reasons) but come on... this is a cadillac.
Oh well. I guess we can enjoy it while it lasts, because I bet it will be gone next year.
Oh well. I guess we can enjoy it while it lasts, because I bet it will be gone next year.
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Originally posted by WERM
Why do car companies always assume we want manual transmissions only with the lowest horsepower engine available? This may be true in a $12,000 economy car (for cost reasons) but come on... this is a cadillac.
Oh well. I guess we can enjoy it while it lasts, because I bet it will be gone next year.
Why do car companies always assume we want manual transmissions only with the lowest horsepower engine available? This may be true in a $12,000 economy car (for cost reasons) but come on... this is a cadillac.
Oh well. I guess we can enjoy it while it lasts, because I bet it will be gone next year.
1. A car is absolutely gutless.
(Most of the European cars that aren't sold in the U.S.)
2. If the engine has torque characteristics that don't suit an automatic transmission.
(Subaru Impreza WRX)
3. If there isn't an automatic available because there's too much torque!
(Corvette Z06)
4. If you like a smooth-heel-and-toe downshift as you enter a corner at the absolute handling threshold of a car.
(not advisable on public streets)
I can see the reasoning behind limiting manual transmission availability to the extremes of the U.S. market - entry level vehicles and performance cars. The vast majority of vehicles sold in our market are automatics, plain and simple. For most domestic car, there just isn't enough demand to justify the engineering costs. The demand/volume equation also explains why the 6-speed is a $800 option, and the automatic is standard, on the base Corvette.
On the other hand, a European country such as France is far different. They actually tax a vehicle more if it has an automatic, and not just at purchase, but as a yearly registration fee. (They also tax on the basis of engine displacement, and the number of gears.) It's pretty easy to see why they all drive stick.
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Originally posted by redzed
A manual is the only transmission to buy if...
A manual is the only transmission to buy if...
The CTS is supposed to be a more lively, performance sedan. A manual transmission should be offered with the upgraded engine. There's a poor precedent for this. See: Lincoln LS.
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Wjile I'd like to see the better V6 available with a stick too, I can see why it's not there...
Anyone have numbers on 2003 CTS build with manuals? It's gotta be tiny.
Add to that the CTS-V which will have a stick, and I think most of the ground is covered....
I know there are some people out there that would love the higher V6 with a manual, but I'd think most people who wanted the manual would get the smaller V6, or jump up to the V-Series, if possible.
Can the stick for the smaller V6 even be fitted/used with the bigger V6? If not, I think it's be crazy to expect Cadillac to offer three different manual transmissions on this car.
Anyone have numbers on 2003 CTS build with manuals? It's gotta be tiny.
Add to that the CTS-V which will have a stick, and I think most of the ground is covered....
I know there are some people out there that would love the higher V6 with a manual, but I'd think most people who wanted the manual would get the smaller V6, or jump up to the V-Series, if possible.
Can the stick for the smaller V6 even be fitted/used with the bigger V6? If not, I think it's be crazy to expect Cadillac to offer three different manual transmissions on this car.
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Re: Re: CTS 3.6 V6=no manual, 3.2 V6= manual
Originally posted by redzed
A V6 CTS might still have a manual transmission, but it would have to be for a smaller displacement/lower torque version. GM currently offers a 2.6 liter version of the CTS for the European market, something that could easily be replaced by the 2.8 liter version of the new motor. However, they gave up on the idea of selling more than a handful overseas. That idea of serious CTS exports died when Lutz nixed the idea of volume sales in Europe over the issue of low interior quality.
I suppose they could resurrent the diminished European export program, if they ignored the lack of a decent distribution network and a low-credibility nameplate. Any Cadillac is an obscure joke in Europe, but would a depowered, stick-shift CTS be a seller in the U.S?
A V6 CTS might still have a manual transmission, but it would have to be for a smaller displacement/lower torque version. GM currently offers a 2.6 liter version of the CTS for the European market, something that could easily be replaced by the 2.8 liter version of the new motor. However, they gave up on the idea of selling more than a handful overseas. That idea of serious CTS exports died when Lutz nixed the idea of volume sales in Europe over the issue of low interior quality.
I suppose they could resurrent the diminished European export program, if they ignored the lack of a decent distribution network and a low-credibility nameplate. Any Cadillac is an obscure joke in Europe, but would a depowered, stick-shift CTS be a seller in the U.S?
Not so fast on that dismissal on Caddy's European push, redzed:
from Autoweek this morning:
TO SAY GENERAL MOTORS has high hopes for the Cadillac XLR roadster is a big understatement. GM hopes the next-generation Corvette-based XLR will succeed not just in the United States, but in Europe as well. With the XLR, the SRX sport/utility vehicle and the CTS sedan leading the way, Cadillac will take another crack at its on-again, off-again push into the European market.
Last year Cadillac sold fewer than 2000 cars in Europe. This year and next, which the division considers interim years, GM would like to sell between 2000 and 5000.
Officials say if that works out, the number could reach 10,000. that's what we feel we need to sell to really make an impact,Esaid Jay Spenchian, XLR's marketing director. Cadillac officials call the roadster, which started life as the Evoq concept car at the 1999 Detroit show (we named it Best Concept), the most technically advanced car GM has ever built. With adaptive cruise control, magnetic ride control, StabiliTrak, heated and cooled seats, keyless access with push-button start and DVD navigation and entertainment among the gizmos, it's hard to argue. All that equipment is standard, by the way. XM radio is the only option. Prices are still being worked out, but officials hint $75,000 is a good ballpark.
The XLR's 4.6-liter V8 is about 80 percent new, and makes 320 hp at 6400 rpm and 310 lb-ft of torque at 4400 rpm. Top speed is electronically limited to 155 mph, and 60 mph should arrive in 5.85 seconds, according to GM. That will make the car quicker than the Lexus SC 430, the Jaguar XK8 and the Mercedes-Benz SL500, the cars GM considers the XLR's main competition.
This is the Northstar V8's first longitudinal application, and it will be used in future rear- and all-wheel-drive cars. The engine is coupled to the newly developed 5L50E automatic transmission mounted in a rear transaxle setup.
The exterior is all chiseled edges and angles, a look designer Tom Peters said is meant to convey a bow and arrow being drawn back, stretched taut.EThe interior is a blend of leathers, aluminum and eucalyptus wood trim.
In addition to paving Cadillac's way to Europe, the XLR offers clues to the next-generation Corvette. The XLR shares chassis, brakes and most suspension components with the C6, which is slated for 2004 production as a 2005 model. XLR, built in the same Bowling Green, Kentucky, plant as Corvette, arrives this summer as a 2004 model.
The C6 won't share the XLR's Northstar V8; the Corvette will get its own engine, probably another 5.7-liter V8. The Corvette's rumored horsepower figures have been bouncing around like the stock market lately. The latest word is the C6 could house a V8 producing a whopping 500 hp. GM sources say the C6 will have a completely different shape from the XLR (obviously). The C6 will also be lighter, significantly faster and less luxurious.
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So for 2004 the CTS will have 3 engine choices? I assume once they have a Manual that can handle the 3.6L they will dump the 3.2L
Funny how other car makers can put 6 speed manuals in their FWD and RWD 240-280HP V6 cars, but the worlds largest auto maker GM can't.
Funny how other car makers can put 6 speed manuals in their FWD and RWD 240-280HP V6 cars, but the worlds largest auto maker GM can't.
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
I know there are some people out there that would love the higher V6 with a manual, but I'd think most people who wanted the manual would get the smaller V6, or jump up to the V-Series, if possible.
Can the stick for the smaller V6 even be fitted/used with the bigger V6? If not, I think it's be crazy to expect Cadillac to offer three different manual transmissions on this car.
I know there are some people out there that would love the higher V6 with a manual, but I'd think most people who wanted the manual would get the smaller V6, or jump up to the V-Series, if possible.
Can the stick for the smaller V6 even be fitted/used with the bigger V6? If not, I think it's be crazy to expect Cadillac to offer three different manual transmissions on this car.