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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 07:37 AM
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That money pit called Iraq, sucking over 9 billion dollars of YOUR money every month.
Yeah, it's more like 12 billion dollars.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23551693

Oh well, since the economy here on the home front is doing so great, we've got that kind of chump change to burn.
Old Mar 10, 2008 | 08:24 AM
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I understand what you're saying and agree, for the long term, your way is better.
But I feel too that if enough people just stayed home on a certain day or weekend, w/o toping off every vehicle they own and filling all their cans, it would hurt daily sales, probably in billions, and would get someones attention.

I personally don't buy on high days whenever possible, and only buy enough to get by when not.
Lets say the average person drives 15,000 a year and gets 25mpg, that is 600 gallons a year and 1.64 gallons a day. So if everyone buys no gas on XX day it will have zero impact because your still buying 600 gallons a year. Now if you boycott cars and ride your bike for a day it is a little better, but only stops the sale on 1.64 gallons per participating person.

Now if instead of the silly boycott you bought a used Geo Metro, Prius or Civic or similar hybrid that averaged 45mpg you would only use 333 gallons of gas. Thus stopping the sale of 267 gallons a year versus 1.64 gallons a year for your one day protest.

So if you really want to show your displeasure with big oil buy a car that gets 40mpg+. One Prius has the impact of 168 days of boycott
Old Mar 10, 2008 | 09:19 AM
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Still wont work. I read in a paper a while back.Anything short of a "strike" on gas meaning prolonged weeks of not buying, its really not going to impact the sales or the price. Organizing a "day off from gas" the oil companies would know it and adjust for it. Even a weekend they would adjust for it. They know you need it to get to work. To go to the store.
They'd find out what day this was planned for and drop the price of gas a huge amount for just that day.

Personally, my wife and I bought bicycles and we will be using them more when the weather gets nicer instead of my truck or her car. I got one of the most fuel efficient fullsize V8 trucks as I could when I bought mine. I'm looking forward to the hybrid and diesel 1/2 ton trucks hitting the market soon. But it might be more efficient for me to pick up a cheap beater that gets over 30mpg and just keep the truck that I have until I need more trucking ability. We're really not sure what way to go with my wife's car. We looked at the new Malibu yesterday, but I need shoulder room that it seems tight in.
Old Mar 10, 2008 | 10:14 AM
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So if you really want to show your displeasure with big oil buy a car that gets 40mpg+. One Prius has the impact of 168 days of boycott
Oh, shut up, you tree-hugging hippie - we're only interested in sticking it to those damn A-rabs if it can be done at little or no inconvenience.

People are willing to do whatever it takes to get cheaper gas, just so long as we don't ask anyone to burn less of it. Admittedly, I'm not any different, as a quick glance at my sig will indicate.
Old Mar 10, 2008 | 03:21 PM
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Oil up $2.71 to another new record of $107.90 a barrel and wholesale gasoline is up to $2.71. $4 a gallon gasoline will be very real this summer, and God forbid something like a Gulf hurricane occur.


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Gasoline will hit a new record high price - perhaps as early as Tuesday - and experts say it will likely continue to soar in tandem with the skyrocketing price of crude.

The national average retail price for gas has already risen 26 cents in the last month, according to the motorist organization AAA. At $3.222 a gallon, it is less than a cent away from the all-time record.

And experts say motorists should prepare to pay nearly $4 a gallon - and in some places even more than that - before the price of gas finally comes down in the late spring as high prices crimp demand.

The price of gasoline usually sees a rise in price this time of year. Several factors contribute to the runup: Low refinery output due to maintenance, a switch from winter to pricier summer blends, and the looming high-demand summer driving season.

Experts say this time around the spike will be more pronounced, mostly due to the surging price of oil and, to a lesser extent, refiner's attempts to grow their profit margins.

"It's all crude," said Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst at Oil Price Information Service. "The crude market is morbidly obese."

Oil prices - which account for 80 percent of the price of a gallon of gas - have jumped 20 percent in just over a month as investors pour money into commodities of all types.

Commodities like oil are seen as a hedge against inflation and the falling dollar - which has been trading at record lows - triggered by economic woes and interest rate cuts from the Federal Reserve.

Oil, already trading near $90 a barrel on the back of strong global demand, took off in February as the economy worsened and the Federal Reserve cut interest rates with crude now spiking to record highs on a near-daily basis - settling at a record $107.90 on Monday.


But as oil prices rose gasoline prices stayed stagnant and profit margins enjoyed by refiners shrank. Now those profit margins have become so small refiners have little incentive to make gasoline.

"The refiners are saying, 'Hey we're not making any money,'" said Tim Statts, vice president of risk management for Summit Energy, a firm that buys energy for big users. "The gasoline price almost has to come up to continue bringing the product to market."[/b]

According to John Kilduff, an energy analyst at the trading firm MF Global in New York, refiners are making about $6 off of every barrel of oil they turn into gasoline. That's down from over $38 a barrel last spring.


Refiners are operating at just 85 percent capacity, down from a normal rate of around 90 percent, according to figures from the Energy Information Administration.

Killduff said the low operating rate is partly due to refiners being shut down for maintenance but also due to the small profits they're getting on gasoline.

"There's no market incentive to rush your unit back into production," he said. "[Gas prices] can't go any lower in relation to crude."

So how high will gas prices go?

While several areas will see prices over $4 a gallon, Kloza said he expects the nationwide average to peak somewhere between $3.50 and $3.75. Kilduff is calling for a high of $3.50, and Statts thinks we'll see the $3.30s.

All three analysts think prices will peak early, in April or May, then decline as the economy worsens and demand for gas - already flat or falling - continues to deteriorate.

"[The falloff in demand] that occurs around $3.25 a gallon takes a lot of the mojo out of gasoline," said Kloza. "These prices are real speed bumps for the economy."

By July 4th, when many Americans pack up the sedan and head for the mountains or beach, prices could be back around $3. If anyone can still afford a vacation.

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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by scott9050
Oil up $2.71 to another new record of $107.90 a barrel and wholesale gasoline is up to $2.71. $4 a gallon gasoline will be very real this summer, and God forbid something like a Gulf hurricane occur.
$108/42 = $2.57/gal. of crude. I know it cost more than 14¢ to refine the crude into gasoline, last year at this time refining cost were 70-80¢ per gallon, so does that mean we can expect the wholesale cost of gasoline to jump another 60¢.
Old Mar 10, 2008 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
$108/42 = $2.57/gal. of crude. I know it cost more than 14¢ to refine the crude into gasoline, last year at this time refining cost were 70-80¢ per gallon, so does that mean we can expect the wholesale cost of gasoline to jump another 60¢.
Blame the relatively weak demand for gasoline in the US at this time for the low refining margins (refineries don't set their prices - the market does, and the market isn't going to put extra money into the refineries' pockets unless demand dictates).
Old Mar 10, 2008 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Bryant
Oh, shut up, you tree-hugging hippie - we're only interested in sticking it to those damn A-rabs if it can be done at little or no inconvenience.

People are willing to do whatever it takes to get cheaper gas, just so long as we don't ask anyone to burn less of it. Admittedly, I'm not any different, as a quick glance at my sig will indicate.
Old Mar 11, 2008 | 08:13 AM
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$109.20 this morning so far. Gasoline has now passed the record average for last May.
Old Mar 11, 2008 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by onebadponcho
Yeah, it's more like 12 billion dollars.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23551693

Oh well, since the economy here on the home front is doing so great, we've got that kind of chump change to burn.
Yea well gold is through the roof too.

I guess golden oil would save Iraq?? lol
Old Mar 11, 2008 | 05:45 PM
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$109.72 is what it went up to today before backing off slightly.
Old Mar 12, 2008 | 12:14 AM
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Here in Yreka gas has risen 48 cents in 4 weeks and I saw one station where diesel is $4.059/gal.
Old Mar 12, 2008 | 03:17 PM
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Oil prices rebounded to another record high Wednesday afternoon after initially plummeting when a government report said supplies of crude and gasoline had risen much more than expected.
In afternoon trading, U.S. light crude for April delivery surged to a high of $110.20 before closing at $109.92. Oil had traded as low as at $107.09 following the report's release on Wednesday morning.

In its weekly inventory report, the U.S. Energy Information Administration, a government agency that measures oil and gas supplies, said crude stocks rose by 6.2 million barrels last week. Analysts were looking for a rise of 1.6 million barrels, according to a Dow Jones poll.

Gasoline supplies rose by 1.7 million barrels, significantly more than the 300,000 barrel rise that analysts had forecast. The government said gasoline stockpiles are well above average for this time of year.

"The big number is the build in gasoline," said Stephen Schork, publisher of the industry newsletter the Schork Report. "We usually see a 2 million barrel draw at this time, not a surplus."

Since September, gasoline stockpiles have increased from a 16 million barrel deficit to a 22 million barrel surplus, which Schork believes is due primarily to the continuing low demand for gasoline.
Old Mar 12, 2008 | 05:11 PM
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$110.20 today

The price isn't going to be dropping anytime soon....
China's oil reserve build-up adds to global demand, It plans a stockpile equivalent to 30 days' worth of imports by 2010
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...48CD491D7F7%7D

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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 05:20 PM
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What's with all this surplus? People must actually be cutting back...


Or more likely, general economic fears are causing them to unintentionally use less gas, one trip to Costco instead of four trips to Kroger.



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