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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:40 AM
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Ahh, i'm too tired to start this globalization argument again.. All I can say is, "competition can be brutal" and that can cut both ways.
Old Oct 20, 2005 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric Bryant
Bingo. To the folks with an expensive college degree, sitting at a desk right now, I have this to say - you're next. Or rather "we're next", since I happen to fall in that group, too. If anyone wants to compare UAW labor costs to those in China, well, then we might as well mention that an engineer who makes $60K in the USA can be had for $5K in China. Maybe all this glee over what's happening to the UAW is simply some sort of mechanism to help some people from facing their own destiny.

Welcome to the Race To The Bottom.
I'm a programer, let me tell you all about outsourcing.

Although, in the American worker's defense, the code which comes back is often terrible and bug ridden. I don't even want to look at the code which is outsourced to India, which is then outsourced to China. That may change as our project managers get better though, and the Indians learn more.
Old Oct 20, 2005 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by WERM
In a recent article, Ford said that among its cuts, it would not cut its total number of Engineers. However, in the same article Ford said that for every $1.00 a US engineer costs, a Japanese Engineer costs $0.75 and a Mexican Engineer costs $0.22

Food for thought...

On that same line of thought, an Engineer in Kansas makes about $0.75-0.80 for every $1 one makes in Long Island. On the other hand the house I bought in Kansas here would cost about 7-8X more if it were there.
The Aerospace industry has been outsourcing Blue and White collar jobs for years, mainly to get plane orders from those countries, the lower cost probably doesn't hurt either.
Old Oct 20, 2005 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by HAZ-Matt
So an American engineer, Japanese engineer and Mexican engineer walk into a bar...

The Canadian Engineer ducked!
Old Oct 20, 2005 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by poSSum
The Canadian Engineer ducked, eh!
Fixed it for ya
Old Oct 20, 2005 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by detltu
The only thing I have to say about this is the white collar workers have been losing their jobs for quite some time now. Not because of outsourcing but because when the company has to make job cuts and the union guys have a contract preserving their jobs the engineers are the next to go.
That is very true. The big-3's white collar workforce has been slowly, and for the most part quietly, shrinking for a few decades now. When the companies needed to trim some fixed costs it's easier to let white collar workers go because there's no hue and cry from the union to deal with. One could even argue that GM's lacklustre product portfolio over the past couple of decades has been due to letting go much of their most experienced staff during the downsizing of the 80s and 90s.

As much as possible the companies try to reduce the white collar workforce through releasing contract workers or salaried attrition so as to lessen the impact. So to say that the white collar workers "are next" is not exactly true. (An interesting point: there's significant turnover/attrition in the white collar ranks because for the most part they are paid what the market deems they're worth and therefore there's a fair bit of mobility within their profession. Yet the turnover in the blue collar ranks ins't nearly as high. I wonder why?)
Old Oct 22, 2005 | 12:59 AM
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Re: A couple interesting Delphi quotes...

Originally Posted by R377
(An interesting point: there's significant turnover/attrition in the white collar ranks because for the most part they are paid what the market deems they're worth and therefore there's a fair bit of mobility within their profession. Yet the turnover in the blue collar ranks ins't nearly as high. I wonder why?)
That is actually one of my problems with the state of the U.S. today. Nobody works at the same company their whole life anymore. There is no loyalty and people will just go where the money is. I am not saying that once you start working somewhere you should be stuck, but people seem just a little to eager to leave their job for money. My 0.02
Old Oct 22, 2005 | 07:57 AM
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Re: A couple interesting Delphi quotes...

Originally Posted by detltu
That is actually one of my problems with the state of the U.S. today. Nobody works at the same company their whole life anymore. There is no loyalty and people will just go where the money is. I am not saying that once you start working somewhere you should be stuck, but people seem just a little to eager to leave their job for money. My 0.02
Loyalty is a two way street. If the company is not going to be loyal to you, why should you forgo the additional income you could be earning to be loyal to them? By what logic would you do this?

To change this, you would have to make it hard for companies to layoff people.
Old Oct 23, 2005 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by WERM
Loyalty is a two way street. If the company is not going to be loyal to you, why should you forgo the additional income you could be earning to be loyal to them? By what logic would you do this?

To change this, you would have to make it hard for companies to layoff people.
Very true.
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