Camry vs mustang?

Well picture this, sporty two door coupe with a smaller backseat and swopy roofline and a V-8, I would definaly place the G6 between the camry and the mustang. Matter of fact I think a G6 and mustang V-6 are in competition with each other. Sporty 2+2 in the low 20's. The G6 has to compete with many cars even the new mitsu exclipse. The sedan is def. more camry like, but you you start touting a sporty two door, it has to deliver. Thats why the solara has always been a flop, the car would be dead if they didn't have the popular convertable option. It was the sporty coupe that just wasnt sporty enough.

We never talk about it much but arent auto FWD trannies very inefficent? If your GTP was a stick things wouldn't have been alot more closer. After reading around on maxima.org I was dissappointed that my 222hp maxima puts out 195-200hp with the stick and only 175 with the auto. Am I wrong to think that 4l60's are alot more efficent than 4t65's?

 

 

To my understand efficiencies are about the same. If anything, I would thing the rwd tranny is less efficient, because a front engine rwd layout dictates more moving parts in the drivetrain are needed. I am sure someone else will chime in with more experience on fwd trannies though.

 

Turbocharged (or Supercharged) V6 would be much better then a V8 in a G6 IMHO.

 

But that means developing a new engine. I think the idea is to use something off the shelf that GM could get into showrooms in less than a year if they really wanted to.

 

Yup. And from what I've read, the 5.3L might be more compact than the 3.6L, and we know that will fit.

 

I thought we already saw some nice pictures of a Solstice with an FI motor...

 

Why are you so certain and confrontational about this? Have you ever done any engine swap before? It'll fit, it'll be driveable but I'm not sure what "cruisers dream" is supposed to mean...

 

There is a line between "it will fit" and "we can mass produce it, sell it at a good price to where we can at least break even, warranty it to be fine in all temperatures and conditions, and still have it handle and perform like we wanted it too."
A 426 Hemi WILL fit in a VW Bug....but you dont see VW teaming up with DCX.

A V8 in a Solstice should be something left for hot rodders, becaue thats what hot rodders do. GM is NOT appealing to drag racers with the Solstice. They are appealing to people that actualy want a tossable, performance roadster that wont cost them an arm and a leg, and be very stylish. And for thoes who want more bang for more buck, wait till next year.

As for LS4 in a G6, why? Id much rather see a turbo 2.8 or a SC3500 or 3900 engine, or even just the hi-po version of the 3.6 making 300hp.

 

Big Al I completely agree with what you posted. I dont think big displacement is the future in this category. But the mustang, mitsu galant and exclipse, and GM have gone to 3.8, 3.9 and 4.0L. I think there is plenty of power to be had in the 3.2 to 3.6 range. I would be delighted to see Gm drop the 3.4, 3.5 and 3.9 and give everyone a HF engine. It could be as simple as 2.8 in the base, 3.2 in the GT and 3.6 in the GTP. Wait a second, that makes too much sense.

BTW who wants to change the O2 sensor, plugs, wires or coils on a V-8 FWD G-6? The solstice would probably be just as bad. I still like the sound of the solstice turbo.

 

I will agree with you on that. The HV 60* V6's do have thier place in the market. 3500 is an awesome low end engine that offers a lot of performance and gets great gas milage. I have yet to drive the 3.9, but Im sure that it also offers great performance for the dollar.
Id like to see GM go to all OHC V6's and 4's and have the success that Nissan and Honda have had with their engines. But I would also like to see GM trim down to a lighter weight and carry only 3 or 4 brands in the US. I think we will eventualy see this as global chassis and engineering will be HUGE. While in the US, pushrods can get by, in Europe, they just dont fly, in sub V8's anyway. This means that engineering and chassis tuning with several different engines could cost GM more money in the long run then engineering it once with one engine, tune the suspension correctly, and be on their way. But we all have our own vision on how we would run GM if given the chance.

Im very interested in a V8 swap into the Solstice. Not that I would do it, but its just something very "Cobra" about it that makes me smile. I cant wait for someone to do it.

 

If only I had alot of disposable cash. I would do it.

 

I can see you're point but my issue with creating a more powerful 35000 or 3900 or even a further boosted 2.8L (250hp wouldn't be enough of a bump) is that GM would be simply creating one more extra engine. In this 240-300hp range, they already have the 3900, the 3800 s/c (which can get to 300hp with greater ease than the 3500 or 3900, I'd wager), the 3.6L, and the LS4. My only question was whether the LS4 could physically fit in the G6. I don't see it as excessive considering that the iron block 6's you were talking about wiegh just as much and the DOHC's you were speaking of are probably as big in size. In any case, GM would have to toughen the components to deal with more power regardless of what engine they threw in there.

I also don't think it's repetitive given the Grand Prix GXP. Nissan, which Big Al mentioned as a model for success, uses one engine in Altima and Maxima (as well as all their other V6 offerings). This seems to work well for them, and I think GM's distinctive, efficient, and powerful V8 could do the same for them.

 

For those that missed the discussion:

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=379692

I read that as somewhere there exists a solstice mule with an LS2 under the hood.

 

Hey what do you think about my idea about using the 2.8, 3.2, and 3.6? They are all alum and lighter and more refined than the 3.5 and 3.9. There is supposed to be a 300hp 3.6 out there in the works and even if it trickled down to 280hp wouldn't it be a good fit? I still think that real world the HF V-6 would kick the V-8's butt in gas mileage. The 300 hp version is supposed to be direct injection would would help mileage even more. The V-8 would also overwhelm the chassis, there are times when my small 3.0l pulls me out of my lane and I have heard that the GP is real tricky to handle with the V-8's.