Consider these Zeta based vehicles
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
A lot of other things have added weight to the Camaro over the years....
Standard seat belts.
Standard Power steering.
Standard Power brakes.
Standard Air Conditioning.
ABS
ASR
6 disc CD changers
Airbags
The list goes on.
A lot of other things have added weight to the Camaro over the years....
Standard seat belts.
Standard Power steering.
Standard Power brakes.
Standard Air Conditioning.
ABS
ASR
6 disc CD changers
Airbags
The list goes on.
Some of you guys are making too much of an issue
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Originally posted by 90 Z28SS
A glimpse into the future
"GM pricing set on 2007 camaro Z28 ......$45K with a curb weight of 3850 lbs 
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How about we just leave AWD , which has had nothing ever to do with a camaro , to other divisions ......keep the current formula , remember... that rwd affordable 2+2 with great looks and power and just build a better damn car
A glimpse into the future
"GM pricing set on 2007 camaro Z28 ......$45K with a curb weight of 3850 lbs
" How about we just leave AWD , which has had nothing ever to do with a camaro , to other divisions ......keep the current formula , remember... that rwd affordable 2+2 with great looks and power and just build a better damn car
I'm sure a lot of people would buy a 245HP V6 w/ AWD for $25K, especially here in the North east. Let the market decide, if people don't want AWD they won't buy it. The number 1 reason people tell me they won't buy a Camaro is because it is RWD.
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Originally posted by Z28x
So then get the sub $30K 3400lbs. RWD Camaro Z28. No one here is saying AWD should be standard equipment on all Camaros.
I'm sure a lot of people would buy a 245HP V6 w/ AWD for $25K, especially here in the North east. Let the market decide, if people don't want AWD they won't buy it. The number 1 reason people tell me they won't buy a Camaro is because it is RWD.
So then get the sub $30K 3400lbs. RWD Camaro Z28. No one here is saying AWD should be standard equipment on all Camaros.
I'm sure a lot of people would buy a 245HP V6 w/ AWD for $25K, especially here in the North east. Let the market decide, if people don't want AWD they won't buy it. The number 1 reason people tell me they won't buy a Camaro is because it is RWD.
Guess I just agree to disagree ...no biggie .
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Originally posted by 90 Z28SS
And just having that AWD option is gonna drive the prices higher across the line .
And just having that AWD option is gonna drive the prices higher across the line .
AWD isn't being developed specifically for the Camaro. It is a feature being incorporated into the architecture that we believe the Camaro will use.
The several hundred thousand cars per year, built on this architecture, (including Camaro), will pay for AWD....whether Camaro gets it or not.
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how about the caddy "XTC"? it would be a rave with the younger crowd looking for the smaller brother of the XLR. it would have to be based on Kappa not Zeta though. or they could just skip the foreplay and go straight to naming their cars after frats. how about Kappa Gamma Beta?
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Originally posted by Z284ever
Not necessarilly.
AWD isn't being developed specifically for the Camaro. It is a feature being incorporated into the architecture that we believe the Camaro will use.
The several hundred thousand cars per year, built on this architecture, (including Camaro), will pay for AWD....whether Camaro gets it or not.
Not necessarilly.
AWD isn't being developed specifically for the Camaro. It is a feature being incorporated into the architecture that we believe the Camaro will use.
The several hundred thousand cars per year, built on this architecture, (including Camaro), will pay for AWD....whether Camaro gets it or not.
This is the all-important factor.... without it, I would not even propose AWD on a Camaro... but being that it should be readily available in a sort of "plug and play" parts bin thing... Chevy would be foolish to not at least consider it as an option.
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Re: Consider these Zeta based vehicles
Originally posted by jg95z28
Instead of an AWD Camaro how about considering this shared body style line-up for Zeta: (Doesn't include utes, elkys, or V6 derivatives in some cases, etc)
Group A - Based on the current Monaro/GTO style
Holden Monaro - V8 RWD
Pontiac GTO - V8 RWD
Buick GS - TurboV6 RWD (exact name TBD)
Group B - Based on a sexier 2+2 Sports Coupe
Chevrolet Camaro - V8 RWD
Holden Torana - V8 RWD?
Cadillac XLZ - V8 AWD (exact name TDB)
Instead of upscaling the Camaro with AWD, keep it a lean and mean RWD car and create an upscale version with AWD in Cadillac's camp.
Thoughts?
Instead of an AWD Camaro how about considering this shared body style line-up for Zeta: (Doesn't include utes, elkys, or V6 derivatives in some cases, etc)
Group A - Based on the current Monaro/GTO style
Holden Monaro - V8 RWD
Pontiac GTO - V8 RWD
Buick GS - TurboV6 RWD (exact name TBD)
Group B - Based on a sexier 2+2 Sports Coupe
Chevrolet Camaro - V8 RWD
Holden Torana - V8 RWD?
Cadillac XLZ - V8 AWD (exact name TDB)
Instead of upscaling the Camaro with AWD, keep it a lean and mean RWD car and create an upscale version with AWD in Cadillac's camp.
Thoughts?
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Re: Re: Consider these Zeta based vehicles
Originally posted by Darth Xed
Well, you kind of had the whole thing tied in with AWD and RWD to begin with...
Well, you kind of had the whole thing tied in with AWD and RWD to begin with...
The idea being that AWD is consider by many to be an "upscale" option, and Buick/Cadillac are more traditionally in that ballpark, while Chevrolet is more traditionally the "value" brand.
Specifically, would those people who want AWD accept it on another loaded vehicle if it had a different badge and name, but was essentially the same car with AWD?
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Re: Re: Re: Consider these Zeta based vehicles
Originally posted by jg95z28
Not as a CAMARO. But instead as a "what if" a sister car was offered in AWD trim by another GM company, like Cadillac or Buick.
The idea being that AWD is consider by many to be an "upscale" option, and Buick/Cadillac are more traditionally in that ballpark, while Chevrolet is more traditionally the "value" brand.
Specifically, would those people who want AWD accept it on another loaded vehicle if it had a different badge and name, but was essentially the same car with AWD?
Not as a CAMARO. But instead as a "what if" a sister car was offered in AWD trim by another GM company, like Cadillac or Buick.
The idea being that AWD is consider by many to be an "upscale" option, and Buick/Cadillac are more traditionally in that ballpark, while Chevrolet is more traditionally the "value" brand.
Specifically, would those people who want AWD accept it on another loaded vehicle if it had a different badge and name, but was essentially the same car with AWD?
Oh.. well then that would be OK.
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Re: Re: Re: Consider these Zeta based vehicles
Originally posted by jg95z28
Not as a CAMARO. But instead as a "what if" a sister car was offered in AWD trim by another GM company, like Cadillac or Buick.
The idea being that AWD is consider by many to be an "upscale" option, and Buick/Cadillac are more traditionally in that ballpark, while Chevrolet is more traditionally the "value" brand.
Specifically, would those people who want AWD accept it on another loaded vehicle if it had a different badge and name, but was essentially the same car with AWD?
Not as a CAMARO. But instead as a "what if" a sister car was offered in AWD trim by another GM company, like Cadillac or Buick.
The idea being that AWD is consider by many to be an "upscale" option, and Buick/Cadillac are more traditionally in that ballpark, while Chevrolet is more traditionally the "value" brand.
Specifically, would those people who want AWD accept it on another loaded vehicle if it had a different badge and name, but was essentially the same car with AWD?
I've been down that road too.... I suggested that perhaps AWD would be a nic way to differentiate a new Firebird from the new Camaro if they ended up doing a Firebird too...
But, ya, assuming there is no Firebird, it works that way too....
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