Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Originally Posted by Threxx
I occasionally do a search for my name just out of curiousity and came across this thread which I had read previously but skipped over this post simply because you sound like your panties got in such a tight wad they managed to get stuck all the way up your ***.
C&D is nothing more than indicative of the general American population. So sick of POS domestic vehicles that they've developed a natural hesitation about calling them worthy of anything. While this isn't profesional of them to do this, I have seen more times than I can count magazines citing a plus for a Toyota vehicle as "Will likely benefit from typical Toyota dependability". So this is nothing but the opposite effect.
Like I've been saying for the last year or so. It appears that GM has finally become competetive in some regards in terms of quality and durability. But they still need time to prove this to the general public. GM has absolutely been the boy that cried wolf for DECADES, now... and they're paying the price now, and reasonably so.
Lastly; to call C&D lower than pond scum for having a bias based on decades of past superiority, yet to not realize that you have the same type of bias, albeit toward GM, and likely about 15 times as strong, is just ignorant.
I know that as a profesional publication you might assume they should be held to higher standards, and I do agree. But to critisize them as you did would be nothing more than the cast iron pot calling the stainless steel toaster, black.
C&D is nothing more than indicative of the general American population. So sick of POS domestic vehicles that they've developed a natural hesitation about calling them worthy of anything. While this isn't profesional of them to do this, I have seen more times than I can count magazines citing a plus for a Toyota vehicle as "Will likely benefit from typical Toyota dependability". So this is nothing but the opposite effect.
Like I've been saying for the last year or so. It appears that GM has finally become competetive in some regards in terms of quality and durability. But they still need time to prove this to the general public. GM has absolutely been the boy that cried wolf for DECADES, now... and they're paying the price now, and reasonably so.
Lastly; to call C&D lower than pond scum for having a bias based on decades of past superiority, yet to not realize that you have the same type of bias, albeit toward GM, and likely about 15 times as strong, is just ignorant.
I know that as a profesional publication you might assume they should be held to higher standards, and I do agree. But to critisize them as you did would be nothing more than the cast iron pot calling the stainless steel toaster, black.
Umm....ok you search for your name huh? Thats just a little insecure and weird..................................
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Originally Posted by falchulk
Umm....ok you search for your name huh? Thats just a little insecure and weird..................................
I get a lot of computer questions, reply to a lot of threads that I don't really care to check up on unless somebody has replied to me, and have lots of people who like to talk crap about me since I'm the resident 'import humper', apparently. (despite the fact that I've owned more domestics than imports to date and the fact that I plan for my next car to be a weekend-driven heavily modded C5 or 03+ Cobra).
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Here is another little blub that pissed me off. This was in the article about the H3. They said "This is a new truck but hardly all new ("What from GM ever is?)". It is BS comments like this that are constant and frequent in this publication. What it does is creep these biased opinions into the readers minds slowly, without hitting them over the head, but the result is the same.
Let's look at that comment. So GM is the only one that shares platfoms and certain mechanicals with other vehicles, C'mon! I guess the Honda Ridgeline would be considered "all new" by C&D.
Threxx: C&D is nothing more than indicative of the general American population. So sick of POS domestic vehicles that they've developed a natural hesitation about calling them worthy of anything. While this isn't profesional of them to do this, I have seen more times than I can count magazines citing a plus for a Toyota vehicle as "Will likely benefit from typical Toyota dependability". So this is nothing but the opposite effect.
That doesn't make it right and there is no excuse. This reveals thier bias and a publication that is supposed to report fairly on all vehicles is not doing so.
Let's look at that comment. So GM is the only one that shares platfoms and certain mechanicals with other vehicles, C'mon! I guess the Honda Ridgeline would be considered "all new" by C&D.
Threxx: C&D is nothing more than indicative of the general American population. So sick of POS domestic vehicles that they've developed a natural hesitation about calling them worthy of anything. While this isn't profesional of them to do this, I have seen more times than I can count magazines citing a plus for a Toyota vehicle as "Will likely benefit from typical Toyota dependability". So this is nothing but the opposite effect.
That doesn't make it right and there is no excuse. This reveals thier bias and a publication that is supposed to report fairly on all vehicles is not doing so.
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Originally Posted by SNEAKY NEIL
Let's look at that comment. So GM is the only one that shares platfoms and certain mechanicals with other vehicles, C'mon! I guess the Honda Ridgeline would be considered "all new" by C&D.
That doesn't make it right and there is no excuse. This reveals thier bias and a publication that is supposed to report fairly on all vehicles is not doing so.
Again, I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying I don't blame ANYONE for buying a car based on what history has shown us rather than what they see right in front of them, as looks can be deceiving.
And FWIW JD Power has been VERY inconsistant with some things as well as accepting quite a bit of advertising money from some brands, so while I'm not straight-up calling them corrupt, I am saying there's a good reason to wait until other results come in to confirm or conflict with JD's findings.
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Umm, Dude I don't wear panties! 
Now maybe you Do, I don't know, nor do I care, but don't assume that means I wear them! I'm bias towards GM.......... 
on Camaroz28.com.............Get out of town! What an out rage!!!!!!!!!!!! Excuse me for thinking journalists should bring us unbiased, reviews. 
Again I'm in a forum that is based on........a GM vehicle. I guess we shouldn't expect any degree of professionalism, from these losers...............Again, POND SCUM! Have a nice day
Now maybe you Do, I don't know, nor do I care, but don't assume that means I wear them! I'm bias towards GM.......... on Camaroz28.com.............Get out of town! What an out rage!!!!!!!!!!!! Excuse me for thinking journalists should bring us unbiased, reviews. Again I'm in a forum that is based on........a GM vehicle. I guess we shouldn't expect any degree of professionalism, from these losers...............Again, POND SCUM! Have a nice day
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Originally Posted by Threxx
The Ridgeline is the first vehicle ever mass-produced that I'm aware of that integrates a unibody structure with a standard truck ladder frame. It is very unique from the Passport/MDX platform in that regard. They're unibody only.
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Forget the Ridgeline, which is a fairly unique vehicle in Honda's world. The point is the snideness and the, uh, uncalled-for-ness () of the comment "(what from GM ever is [all new]?)".
Sure, GM platform shares, especially in trucks. JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. I don't see them making snide remarks about the all new Frontier or XTerra or Pathfinder from Nissan... Or the FX45/G35/M45... Or the freaking Toyota Echo-based xA and xB (not just an all new pair of cars, but an all new brand!). When the new Camry comes out, appropriately based on the (successful and competent) current car's platform, I doubt you'll see wisecracks about it. It will just be noted that the car is based on a revised version of the current underpinnings...
Did the snide remark about the H3 really affect the article? Probably not heavily. It just reflects their overall attitude toward GM, imo. The overall write up was actually quite good, basically saying it was a nice, cool looking and driving vehicle that was only a small block away from being great. Pretty much how I feel about it myself.
Based on the limited info I've seen about the Cobalt SS comparo (to get back on topic), they have no leg to stand on. I'm told the title of the article is "Pocket Rockets" or something like that, even further emphasizing the speed aspect of the compact cars under review. To pick the perhaps slightly more refined, but much slower, Acura over the others is just absurd...
) of the comment "(what from GM ever is [all new]?)".Sure, GM platform shares, especially in trucks. JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. I don't see them making snide remarks about the all new Frontier or XTerra or Pathfinder from Nissan... Or the FX45/G35/M45... Or the freaking Toyota Echo-based xA and xB (not just an all new pair of cars, but an all new brand!). When the new Camry comes out, appropriately based on the (successful and competent) current car's platform, I doubt you'll see wisecracks about it. It will just be noted that the car is based on a revised version of the current underpinnings...
Did the snide remark about the H3 really affect the article? Probably not heavily. It just reflects their overall attitude toward GM, imo. The overall write up was actually quite good, basically saying it was a nice, cool looking and driving vehicle that was only a small block away from being great. Pretty much how I feel about it myself.
Based on the limited info I've seen about the Cobalt SS comparo (to get back on topic), they have no leg to stand on. I'm told the title of the article is "Pocket Rockets" or something like that, even further emphasizing the speed aspect of the compact cars under review. To pick the perhaps slightly more refined, but much slower, Acura over the others is just absurd...
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Originally Posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
Forget the Ridgeline, which is a fairly unique vehicle in Honda's world. The point is the snideness and the, uh, uncalled-for-ness () of the comment "(what from GM ever is [all new]?)".
Sure, GM platform shares, especially in trucks. JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. I don't see them making snide remarks about the all new Frontier or XTerra or Pathfinder from Nissan... Or the FX45/G35/M45... Or the freaking Toyota Echo-based xA and xB (not just an all new pair of cars, but an all new brand!). When the new Camry comes out, appropriately based on the (successful and competent) current car's platform, I doubt you'll see wisecracks about it. It will just be noted that the car is based on a revised version of the current underpinnings...
Did the snide remark about the H3 really affect the article? Probably not heavily. It just reflects their overall attitude toward GM, imo. The overall write up was actually quite good, basically saying it was a nice, cool looking and driving vehicle that was only a small block away from being great. Pretty much how I feel about it myself.
Based on the limited info I've seen about the Cobalt SS comparo (to get back on topic), they have no leg to stand on. I'm told the title of the article is "Pocket Rockets" or something like that, even further emphasizing the speed aspect of the compact cars under review. To pick the perhaps slightly more refined, but much slower, Acura over the others is just absurd...
) of the comment "(what from GM ever is [all new]?)".Sure, GM platform shares, especially in trucks. JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. I don't see them making snide remarks about the all new Frontier or XTerra or Pathfinder from Nissan... Or the FX45/G35/M45... Or the freaking Toyota Echo-based xA and xB (not just an all new pair of cars, but an all new brand!). When the new Camry comes out, appropriately based on the (successful and competent) current car's platform, I doubt you'll see wisecracks about it. It will just be noted that the car is based on a revised version of the current underpinnings...
Did the snide remark about the H3 really affect the article? Probably not heavily. It just reflects their overall attitude toward GM, imo. The overall write up was actually quite good, basically saying it was a nice, cool looking and driving vehicle that was only a small block away from being great. Pretty much how I feel about it myself.
Based on the limited info I've seen about the Cobalt SS comparo (to get back on topic), they have no leg to stand on. I'm told the title of the article is "Pocket Rockets" or something like that, even further emphasizing the speed aspect of the compact cars under review. To pick the perhaps slightly more refined, but much slower, Acura over the others is just absurd...
Exactly, and these kind of remarks just back up, what I've been saying about these fools. Sometimes the truth hurts, and some folks just can't handle it.
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
Ugh. Fine, but don't call the H3 "just a Colorado with a different body." It includes skidplates and many other heavy duty pieces not found on your run-of-the-mill GMT355. So in that respect, it's every bit as different as a Ridgeline is to a Pilot.
I'm not contesting that there might be other significant differences; there may very well be, I'm just wondering what differences those are?
Personally I think they would have been better off using the Trailblazer platform. Some people have said that would have added too much cost, but for God's sake, it's an over 30k dollar smallish sized SUV with the hummer nameplate stamped all over it... doesn't seem like a cost that was necessary to spare.
Originally Posted by SCNGENNFTHGEN
Exactly, and these kind of remarks just back up, what I've been saying about these fools. Sometimes the truth hurts, and some folks just can't handle it. emoticon to pat people who agree with you on the back, I'd have a lotta dollars. This is what I mean when I say the 5th gen section is a circle jerk. But hey, what do I know... I'm just the import-humping idiot. I wonder what excuse you guys will use when I buy a weekend-driven C5 or Cobra. Would I still be an import humper? Was I an import humper when I had my Taurus, LT1 Z, or Silverado?
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Originally Posted by Threxx
Skidplates are not a significant change to a chassis or platform; that's like saying the motor on a car is different because they used a different engine cover and water baffle. It's just an accessory and not really an integral part of the chassis.
I'm not contesting that there might be other significant differences; there may very well be, I'm just wondering what differences those are?
Personally I think they would have been better off using the Trailblazer platform. Some people have said that would have added too much cost, but for God's sake, it's an over 30k dollar smallish sized SUV with the hummer nameplate stamped all over it... doesn't seem like a cost that was necessary to spare.
If I had a dollar for every time you used the emoticon to pat people who agree with you on the back, I'd have a lotta dollars. This is what I mean when I say the 5th gen section is a circle jerk. But hey, what do I know... I'm just the import-humping idiot. I wonder what excuse you guys will use when I buy a weekend-driven C5 or Cobra. Would I still be an import humper? Was I an import humper when I had my Taurus, LT1 Z, or Silverado?
I'm not contesting that there might be other significant differences; there may very well be, I'm just wondering what differences those are?
Personally I think they would have been better off using the Trailblazer platform. Some people have said that would have added too much cost, but for God's sake, it's an over 30k dollar smallish sized SUV with the hummer nameplate stamped all over it... doesn't seem like a cost that was necessary to spare.
If I had a dollar for every time you used the
emoticon to pat people who agree with you on the back, I'd have a lotta dollars. This is what I mean when I say the 5th gen section is a circle jerk. But hey, what do I know... I'm just the import-humping idiot. I wonder what excuse you guys will use when I buy a weekend-driven C5 or Cobra. Would I still be an import humper? Was I an import humper when I had my Taurus, LT1 Z, or Silverado?
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
I don't start too many threads here, but, you guys have really made me feel like part of the family with the way you've hijacked this thread.
If there was a teary eyed smily, I'd paste it.
If there was a teary eyed smily, I'd paste it.
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Originally Posted by SCNGENNFTHGEN
If I had a dollar, for all the times you praised yota............I'd also have alotta dollars! Maybe its not a circle jerk, but just a way to let ppl know your on the same page!
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Originally Posted by dream '94 Z28
I don't start too many threads here, but, you guys have really made me feel like part of the family with the way you've hijacked this thread.
If there was a teary eyed smily, I'd paste it.
If there was a teary eyed smily, I'd paste it.
I guess maybe you should consider it an honor to be hijacked!
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Originally Posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
Hey, I tried to get it back on topic...
I guess maybe you should consider it an honor to be hijacked!
I guess maybe you should consider it an honor to be hijacked!
period.
