Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Originally Posted by km9v
Was that WRX an STi or not? The non-STi is a far cry from the STi model.
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
Sure the STi is top dog, but even the base WRX enjoys strong popularity as a performance platform.
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Originally Posted by falchulk
A stock WRX is a joke. Only people with out knowledge praise it as anythign other then a joke. The initial round ouf mags testing at 14.0 seconds were ringers. Many retested and could not get greater then 14.5 or 14.7.
A MUCH better match will be the 2006 WRX with the 2.5L engine from the Legacy/Forester. I'm sure we'll see 99mph trap speeds from them when stock. . .
oh, they also get 4-pot brakes up front.
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Originally Posted by mgreen
The 2.0L WRX is good for about 94mph in the 1/4, so it all depends on how you use it, but a 14.4 is possible with a hard launch, but obviously its easily outgunned by the Ion RL, SS, and SRT4 in a straightline.
A MUCH better match will be the 2006 WRX with the 2.5L engine from the Legacy/Forester. I'm sure we'll see 99mph trap speeds from them when stock. . .
oh, they also get 4-pot brakes up front.
Mike
A MUCH better match will be the 2006 WRX with the 2.5L engine from the Legacy/Forester. I'm sure we'll see 99mph trap speeds from them when stock. . .
oh, they also get 4-pot brakes up front.
Mike
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Originally Posted by falchulk
The mustang v6 does not belong in that group. Too heavy and the gearing is wrong. It would have been trounced in every test.
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
The ecotec is thrashy above 4K ......whaaaaaaa , lol . The ecotec is one of the smoother 4 bangers Ive ever driven and is seemless all the way to redline . Also , by looking at the cobalt forums , alot of acura fans dont agree with good ol C&D . Lots of honda fans jumping ship to ....errrrr , inferior? Cobalt SS .
The Cobalt SS , reguardless of what anyone wants to think is alot faster , and handles ALOT better than ALOT of people will ever give it credit for . And its a great looking car with a awesome interior to boot
The Cobalt SS , reguardless of what anyone wants to think is alot faster , and handles ALOT better than ALOT of people will ever give it credit for . And its a great looking car with a awesome interior to boot
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
GM should pull its advertising from C&D and all the publications of its parent company. I have heard nothing but insults of GM products from that publication. Positive remarks seem reluctant and any flaws are beset upon with great enthusiasm. I don't feel the magazine has put domestics on an unbiased footing ever against foreign competition, even when it is obvious they perform much better and sell for a better price.
The virtues of the American cars are always overlooked it seems, deliberately to make them less appealing. Honda's a good car, but you have to look at the big picture and not exclude anything. If you can't do that, don't do the comparison.
The virtues of the American cars are always overlooked it seems, deliberately to make them less appealing. Honda's a good car, but you have to look at the big picture and not exclude anything. If you can't do that, don't do the comparison.
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Originally Posted by Gloveperson
Yet another reason why Car and Driver does not understand the the performance car market.
Interior is so unimportant in that test I am baffled that they even brought it up....
They did not have the Audi because they didn't think it was fast enough....whoops too bad they were wrong.............................
They seem to rate interior and driveability more than performance (actually, it is clear that they do since the slowest car won and the fastest cars made up the bottom 3). If people wanted interior, they would buy an accord, not an SRT-4.
I really hope GM does not listen to these idiots.
Interior is so unimportant in that test I am baffled that they even brought it up....
They did not have the Audi because they didn't think it was fast enough....whoops too bad they were wrong.............................
They seem to rate interior and driveability more than performance (actually, it is clear that they do since the slowest car won and the fastest cars made up the bottom 3). If people wanted interior, they would buy an accord, not an SRT-4.
I really hope GM does not listen to these idiots.
i thinks it's cause all the cars get the same rating systems. the mags really need to come up with specific rating systems for specific types of cars.
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Originally Posted by Dwarf Killer
GM should pull its advertising from C&D and all the publications of its parent company. I have heard nothing but insults of GM products from that publication. Positive remarks seem reluctant and any flaws are beset upon with great enthusiasm. I don't feel the magazine has put domestics on an unbiased footing ever against foreign competition, even when it is obvious they perform much better and sell for a better price.
The virtues of the American cars are always overlooked it seems, deliberately to make them less appealing. Honda's a good car, but you have to look at the big picture and not exclude anything. If you can't do that, don't do the comparison.
The virtues of the American cars are always overlooked it seems, deliberately to make them less appealing. Honda's a good car, but you have to look at the big picture and not exclude anything. If you can't do that, don't do the comparison.
), and unfortunately for any of us who want back our old rivalries between Chevy/Ford/Dodge! Thats part of old oppressive America, and the elites don't want that! So they are plotting to take down any semblance of old American. The one we love so dearly. Go ahead now call me a crackpot if you must!
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
I seen it on speed. Anyone else happen to notice all the body roll on the acura? What a joke! If I wasn't so damn passionate about GM......It might even be funny, but its not! 
They are using words that are completely subjective. The Ion is bland. I think its pretty nice.
What a joke! If I wasn't so damn passionate about GM......It might even be funny, but its not! They are using words that are completely subjective. The Ion is bland. I think its pretty nice.
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
It just seems funny to me that a magazine called Car and Driver, a name lending itself to a peformance image, has continually given the cars that performed worse the better ratings. This is an ongoing trend with them that has been really annoying me with them. I am not really interested in any of the cars in the comparo, and I still get irritated when I read it.
Isn't C & D the magazine that gave the Prius the car of the year award? That was pretty awful. The car is pretty much the antithesis of performance, and even though it boasts some thoughtful new technology, it shouldn't be winning car of the year in a peformance magazine.
Isn't C & D the magazine that gave the Prius the car of the year award? That was pretty awful. The car is pretty much the antithesis of performance, and even though it boasts some thoughtful new technology, it shouldn't be winning car of the year in a peformance magazine.
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
i talked to one of the guys i worked with today about the new 4 banger cars. he is a die-hard mitsubishi eclipse fanand even he said this sounded like 
.he went as far as to say if anything, he'd buy the cobalt before the acura. word got around to the import kids along time ago about what chevy 4 bangers can do with some mods. C&D is only pulling the wool over their own eyes with this.
.he went as far as to say if anything, he'd buy the cobalt before the acura. word got around to the import kids along time ago about what chevy 4 bangers can do with some mods. C&D is only pulling the wool over their own eyes with this.
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Though I am biased to the SS S/C I thought the comparo was crap and it sickened me to watch it on TV. I could go on and on about what made me mad about it but what's the use. C&D in my eyes have became less and less credible over the past few years.
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Re: Cobalt SS Comparo in C&D
Originally Posted by SCNGENNFTHGEN
Bravo man, bravo! 
You are 100% acurate, way more than I could have been. I was waiting for someone to chime in. I can't believe they had the audacity to openly admit it. Just goes to show how dumb, they consider thier readers (drones, most will buy whatever they are told by these morons)(Are the left-wing loonz correct? Are many Americans dumb as a bag of rocks, to read that trash and run right out, and buy what they are told is good?) to be, they know no one will call them on thier bias. Gee wouldn't this mean, that you can't trust anything they say about American cars? As far as I'm concerned they put sand bags, in the trunk of all the GM cars, when they do a test. And until someone can absolutely beyond a shadow of any doubt..... disprove that, that's exactly how I will continue to see it. To say these guys are lower than pond scum, would be an insult to pond scum everywhere! I hope thier audi's leave them broke down in the worst detroit neighborhood, with electrical problems, so their nav/gps (or whatever that garbage has, don't work), and they can't get any cell phone reception. 
To All America Bashers! Where is Threxx???? Care to come in here, and explain to us ALL once again, how the playing field is LEVEL?????......Fairgame? Yeah right pal! And I got a bridge for ya.......really freakin' cheap! HONEST! And, it's a really good bridge too, you'll love it! I would agree with Sneaky Neil, they are very transparent to Some of US! Sadly, I don't think that's the case with most non enthusiasts! In fact I know ppl read those rags, when looking for what kind of car they should buy. Ok I don't think they are dumb as a bag of rocks......just ill informed ppl looking for transportation, and don't know any better. I hope the ppl wise up!
You are 100% acurate, way more than I could have been. I was waiting for someone to chime in. I can't believe they had the audacity to openly admit it. Just goes to show how dumb, they consider thier readers (drones, most will buy whatever they are told by these morons)(Are the left-wing loonz correct? Are many Americans dumb as a bag of rocks, to read that trash and run right out, and buy what they are told is good?) to be, they know no one will call them on thier bias. Gee wouldn't this mean, that you can't trust anything they say about American cars? As far as I'm concerned they put sand bags, in the trunk of all the GM cars, when they do a test. And until someone can absolutely beyond a shadow of any doubt..... disprove that, that's exactly how I will continue to see it. To say these guys are lower than pond scum, would be an insult to pond scum everywhere! I hope thier audi's leave them broke down in the worst detroit neighborhood, with electrical problems, so their nav/gps (or whatever that garbage has, don't work), and they can't get any cell phone reception. To All America Bashers! Where is Threxx???? Care to come in here, and explain to us ALL once again, how the playing field is LEVEL?????......Fairgame? Yeah right pal! And I got a bridge for ya.......really freakin' cheap! HONEST! And, it's a really good bridge too, you'll love it! I would agree with Sneaky Neil, they are very transparent to Some of US! Sadly, I don't think that's the case with most non enthusiasts! In fact I know ppl read those rags, when looking for what kind of car they should buy. Ok I don't think they are dumb as a bag of rocks......just ill informed ppl looking for transportation, and don't know any better. I hope the ppl wise up!C&D is nothing more than indicative of the general American population. So sick of POS domestic vehicles that they've developed a natural hesitation about calling them worthy of anything. While this isn't profesional of them to do this, I have seen more times than I can count magazines citing a plus for a Toyota vehicle as "Will likely benefit from typical Toyota dependability". So this is nothing but the opposite effect.
Like I've been saying for the last year or so. It appears that GM has finally become competetive in some regards in terms of quality and durability. But they still need time to prove this to the general public. GM has absolutely been the boy that cried wolf for DECADES, now... and they're paying the price now, and reasonably so.
Lastly; to call C&D lower than pond scum for having a bias based on decades of past superiority, yet to not realize that you have the same type of bias, albeit toward GM, and likely about 15 times as strong, is just ignorant.
I know that as a profesional publication you might assume they should be held to higher standards, and I do agree. But to critisize them as you did would be nothing more than the cast iron pot calling the stainless steel toaster, black.
