Z28Wilson

I agree wholeheartedly there, and I really think that's all we're talking about. Malibu and Impala should be the bread-and-butter people movers for GM when compared to the Pontiacs built on the same platform. The Camaro needs to be a world class sports coupe though and that means performance to match or exceed whatever else is in its price range, including stuff from Pontiac.

Darth Xed

Pontiac should generally have the faster cars...

You can explain away Corvette as a "value leader" in the supercar segment!

JoeliusZ28

Personally I would rather carry the bowtie flag over a uhhh well... Pontiac thingy flag.

I think I can deal with it though... since the 5.7 is Chevy blood.

DarthIROC

Honestly, I would like to see some new actual Pontiac motors

Darth Xed

You'll never see that again under the current structure that has GM Powertrain as one entity....

R377

I don't agree. There are no divisional motors anymore. GM Powertrain serves all equally.

IZ28

If Pontiac had the faster regular cars I'd be fine with it, but when it comes to the Camaro and Corvette (or any other sports or musclecar that they come out with) that changes completely.

DarthIROC

Yeah I know, but unless Pontiac releases another car with a big pheonix on the hood, Im probbaly done with them anyway. And the pheonix thing is looking dim, so I can dream cant I?

Ever since, I was like 6 and saw Smokey and the Bandit for the first time, Ive dreamed of the day, that I could roll a brand new black Trans Am, off the lot. And now Im being robbed of that dream. It serisouly nearly makes me cry thinking about it. I mean I feel that buying a new Trans Am sometime in my life is a reasonable dream. But Im being f***** out of it. So I'm not to happy with Pontiac right now.

I like the GTO, and some of their other concepts, but nothing that I wouldnt spring for a 5th gen Z or a C6 over.

formula79

How can Pontiac be the "Excitement" division without more excitement then Chevrolet?

Corvette has it's undisputed place....I mean hell even Cadilac can't get a faster car.

But after that every Pontiac should be faster than it's Chevrolet platform mate...otherwise why have Pontiac? Pontiac's cost more....take away the performance quotent, and buying a Pontiac just doesn't make sense?

IMO if all Chevrolets were as fast as Pontiacs, Pontiac would become pretty useless real quick.

I remember a line in "All Corvettes are Red" that basically states that Chevrolet was viewed as GM's brand for "people that had trouble paying thier bills", and that they wrestled with how to market the preium Corvette under the name plate and fit it under the price structure.

Z284ever

Because that's nothing more than marketing mumbo jumbo. The GTO will be a very fast personal luxury car. The Camaro's emphasis should be more on "sport". Like I said previously,....I can live with the "civilian" cars being more sporty from Pontiac, but Corvette and Camaro are a special case.

There is little point to having a Camaro that doesn't perform as well or better than a Goat.

Did I mention that Camaro competes directly with Mustang?

DarthIROC

Although I think a 5th gen Camaro will compete with the GTO, as far as performance. I dont think it would be pointless to ahve one even if it didnt, if GM does things right and makes the Camaro substantially less expensive than the GTO.

unvc92camarors

imo, pontiac has that upscale look and feel to it, and cost more
so i think, all pontiac cars should have more powerthan chevys (excluding camaro and vette)
and i think that the camaro should be less "frills" interior with mroe power, while the goat is more luxurious but offers a little bit less power (which it does offer less already if you compare the power to weight ratio of it and the 2002 camaros)

Melee Penguin

I voted for Chevy. Pontiac doesn't even make their own engines any longer. GM will not let the Covette be out performed by anything else in the GM line-up; even the GTO(Using the Chevy made LS1) will be docked 10 horsies than the current C5. Pontiac is for those that want flashy *Firebird, Sunfire* cars compared to those that want a "less frills" *Camaro, Cavalier* approach. Pontiac does supercharge their Bonneville and GTP compared to the Impala and Monte Carlo, but even then Chevy has their SUPER FAST and SUPER FURIOUS Silverado SS. Chevy OVERALL will have faster cars than Pontiac.

Z28Wilson

Technically, neither does Chevy. GM Powertrain is one singular entity.

Wrong again. The GTO has a 350 horsepower rating, equal to that of Corvette and 365 foot-pounds of torque, 5 more than the automatic Vette. And the myth that Corvette cannot be outperformed by another GM product has been blown up so many times around here I can't even count.

SNEAKY NEIL

But not recently, not since the 80's.