MSRP on the Collector Edition package for the '02 Trans Am was $3k.

 

I recently sold a Jeep Rubicon with the $5K 'Tomb Raider' package, which had a lot of content....didn't sell for a dollar more used than a regular one. Chrysler is the king of pointless special editions...damn near everything they sell has a numbered plaque on it. You'll be able to buy it for little more than an R/T. Nobody should be paying MSRP for one of these.

I'm surprised someone with a Reventon is complaining about the price of a Challenger /sarcasm. Although I do agree, I sure wouldn't buy one for over $30K...I know I can get one at a severe discount in about 2 years....that goes for the Camaro and Mustangs as well.

 

Per Jalopnik:

'The 2009 Dodge Challenger R/T Classic starts at $34,005 (including $725 destination) and is available for ordering now at Dodge dealerships.'

I dunno what the base MSRP is, or what exactly this comes with besides the 20's and stripes that is comparable from the option sheet, so you'll have to do your own math on this one....

 

Thats the beauty of domestics. We just picked up a convertible G6 for the wife. It stickered for $33K new, we bought it 6 months old for $19K Since it has less than 12K miles, it still qualifies as a new car and on top of the 100K mile warranty, you get an additional 1year/12K miles bumper to bumper b/c its GM certified.

 

I don't mind it. But if they was going for he 1970 look. Then why did they put 1971 style stripes on it?

 

I went to the autoshow in Detroit and saw it. It's basically the same idea as the new Daytona Charger R/T

 

Yep. 4K more. Includes more than decals. Different grille, SRT8 fuel filler door, different exhaust, and those Crager-ish mag wheels.

IMO, not very different than the price of the 35th Camaro SS and T/A anniversary packages, which were themselves basically a wheel, paint and decal package as well.

You may not be crazy, but... the 35th Camaro SS was on sale SEVEN years ago!!!

Seven years ago, one could get a base Z28 and Mustang GT for only 21K MSRP. Today, the GT costs $26K and the SS will cost $29K. Reaching back that far to compare prices on a Challenger R/T is (at the very least) extremely flawed because inflation has moved prices (and wages) up significantly since 2002.

Any price above MSRP is on the dealer not the manufacturer. The point you were making (and you stated as much) was that the Challenger was overpriced. Not only is it not overpriced, a base Challenger R/T is roughly an oil change cheaper than a Camaro SS.

That is enough to make it the cheapest V8 powered, rear drive, IRS, new car on sale in the United States.

In all fairness, although Camaro SS is more expensive than the Challenger R/T (if you can call less than $20 more expensive) Camaro SS is the cheapest car you can get with at least 400 horsepower.

Next cheapest?

Dodge Challenger SRT8.

 

You're missing my point. I was trying to say that this particular option package would not be a drop in the bucket, and that adding it to the cost of the R/Ts I have seen in my area would push them over $40k, if we're going off sticker prices. I know that most people don't pay sticker, but it's the only consistent guideline we have for comparison.

Jason E suggested the option package would be no more than $1500. I said that the option package would drive a $37k R/T to over $40k (even including market adjustment!). Who was right?


Also - can you quote me on where I said the Challenger is overpriced? You're the one who put those words in my mouth, and you're the one who brought in the Camaro for comparison (for some reason - I didn't). Who was even talking about the price of the Camaro? My main point was that this option package will be pricey, and if it adds $4000 to the price of a car, I would say that it is pricey.

 

If you say an R/T is going for $40 and $45K, you are not going by sticker... you are going by opinion and-or dealer markup.

I suspect I fully understand your point, but as has been pointed out, your numbers are simply wrong.

No contest...Jason was right.... hands down!

The Challenger Classic is based on the upmodel R/T "J" package which is $32,480.

The Classic lists for $34,005.... that's sticker/MSRP, BTW.

That puts it at $1,520 over the R/T "J"..... pretty darn close to Jason's estimate if you ask me.

The regular R/T starts at $30,545.

The regular Camaro SS is $30,995.

The Camaro 2SS (comparable to the R/T's "J" package) is $33,430

A scant $565 less than an R/T Classic.... probably the price of a set of stripes and chrome factory wheels for the 2SS, which would make the price difference a wash.


Again, hardly the mega-buck vehicle you are trying to make it out to be.

You are attempting to paint the Challenger R/T as overpriced, then are attempting to deny this is your intention.

Here is what you posted:

and this....

Then....

You are right, MSRP (or "sticker") is the constant on all pricing, and I agree with you 100% that this is what should be used by in all comparisons. I discard discounts and incentives because they vary by area and sales. Therfore, I also dismiss dealer markups because they also are local situations and vary from dealer to dealer not to mention area to area.

I brought in Camaro SS to prove that the pricing of the Challenger R/T (even the Classic) is by no means high or off kilter, as a retort to your posts, backed up by examples and facts.

One can load up a $26K Mustang GT with options to well into the $30K range, but no one is going to use it as an example of actual prices of a Mustang GT. Therefore, using $37K as a normal price of an R/T isn't exactly accurate either.

If dealers are marking it up in your area, that's a local dealer issue. I once saw a G8 GT here in the Bay Area listed for over $40K despite having a list price of only $29K. That was a dealer issue in my area, not an issue that Pontiac priced it too high.

Same goes over the Challenger.... and likely the Camaro when it comes out.

 

How is Jason right when he said the package would be no more than $1500 when it is a $4000 package?

How am I not right in saying that 37,000 + 4,000 = 41,000? Even if the R/T cost $20,000, a $4,000 option package will make it $24,000. Regardless of the price of the vehicle, a $4,000 option package will increase the price of the vehicle $4,000.

 

I'm guessing that the numbers you guys are talking are if you were to walk up to the dealership with a black check or a pocket full of $100s, and NOT with financing and paying interest over a few years like most people do that ends up costing them thousands more than they were expecting

 

lol

 

I'm not sure I would call the Challenger R/T overpriced, but when it comes to performance, the Camaro SS is going to wipe the floor with it for a couple of cheeseburgers more.

I thought the base price on the G8 GXP was right around the same if not a touch cheaper than the Challenger SRT8?

 

Pool boy, the Classic is based on the J package, so we are looking at it in two different ways. Either $1500 more than the J package, or $4K more than base...but you can't really do that, because the content goes beyond just the stickers, as Guy pointed out. You are getting leather, chrome 20" wheels, etc. So, it's really only a $1500 package compared to an equivalently optioned car, the 'J' package. Basically, it stickers for $34K...from there, you have to look at the option sheet and see what you could add to it. Maybe the track pack, sunroof, mygig, etc. I bet the most you could sticker it out is around $1500 higher than those you are referencing.

So yes, your math works, but your logic doesn't.

 

Well at least I'm right some how, haha