1. because it is based on the $32,480 R/T "J" package, not the base R/T.

2. The Classic lists for $34,005.

That is $1,525 over the car the package is based on.

Jason said $1500.

Jason wins.

Again, you numbers are WAY off.... I think this makes the 6th time it's been said.

Once again, that $37,000 Challenger you are fixated on is not a standard Challenger. It is a loaded Challenger. I will be willing to bet you shot of JD that price you mention includes that $3,000 convience package (which includes Nav) and at least 1 or 2 other packages.

Once again, that $4,000 number you pulled out of thin air is bogus as is the $41,000 price.

Yea, but I wouldn't weigh it out if I were you.

 

Camaro SS no doubt steals the horsepower per dollar award. R/Ts are pulling 5 flat to 60 and mid-13 quarters. At only 109 pounds less than the GXP G8, the SS should be about half a second quicker than the R/T both to 60 and the quarter.

But it would be intresting to watch since the R/T has the torque and axle ratio advantage and just over a 150 pound difference. It should get the jump off the line.

But the real draw to the Challenger is that it's a modern era muscle car, not a pony car. It's more of a modern Chevelle SS, Pontiac GTO, even the spiritial successor to the Dodge Charger more than it is a modern Challenger. You can fit full sized people in the back and the trunk is actually bigger than the one in a Impala. Not exactly the old Challenger's forte.

Once the G8 GXP comes out later this year, it will step in and take that title.

The G8 GXP MSRP will be $39,995.

Challenger SRT8's is exactly $100 more at $40,095...

... but packs 10 more horsepower & torque, has a more aggressive axle, and weighs just 70 pounds more.... in other words...

....the 2 should make a great race.



As long as we're on the subject of pricing and markups, I paid a visit to the Serramonte Chrysler dealer just south of San Francisco (since the dealer here in the city recently went out of business). Stopped in to check on what they were charging for them.

I'm still in shock.

The Challenger R/T in the front had a $5,000 markup!!

Then there was the SRT8 Challenger in the showroom...

$8,000 markup!!!!

The only (barely) redeeming value these guys had was there was an electric blue Charger SRT8 SuperBee on sale for $39K (listed for $46K), and all the Chargers were selling for list, including a fantastic looking black one with the comp package.

I was ready to rip into the dealer in print when I got back home, till I found out what was going on..... and sadly, it made perfect sense.


The Dodge Challenger is generating alot of showroom traffic, and dealers are moving every single one they can get....BUT.....

......Chrysler shut down production of everything they build!

Therefore, the damn things have become scarce, and dealers are loathe to part with showroom traffic makers when it's been hard enough lately to get anyone into Chrysler showrooms.

So Chrysler has a Challenger that's actually selling, but they aren't making any to sell.

The words "conumdrum" and "irony" keep coming into my mind on this one.

 

Well, half a second is a whooping in my opinion. Let us also not forget that the G8 GXP has already gone 13.0 and 13.3 in the two mainstream mag tests I have seen, making it a direct competitor with the SRT-8, not the R/T. The Challenger R/T is in the 13.6 to 13.8 range from what I have seen, which is on the high end of mid-13s.

Also, the Camaro SS is more than 109 pounds less than G8 GXP. It is more like 163 pounds from the numbers I have seen. 3860# manual Camaro SS and 4023# manual G8 GXP.

I expect the lighter, more powerful, and wider tired (275 versus 245) Camaro SS to run faster than the G8 GXP which has already run 13.0 in a mainstream magazine.

The bang for the buck of the Camaro SS is borderline ridiculous if my predictions are correct.

 

Can anyone compare the base R/T to the SS in terms of features?

Where?

14.1 @ 100

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=130808

 

Thin air.

 

Saw these at the show this year...not at all impressed with any of the Challengers. The Mustang and GT500 are an improvement, but the Camaro was awesome. The interior looked great and the Black edition was sexy except for the rear bumper. They've done a good job with it, lets just hope it sells. Fit and finish was great...but damn no rear leg room in any of these cars. I think my 95 GT has more room.

 

thats not very fair now...taking the slowest times posted. edmunds botched that test. motortrend and car and driver have been able to muster 13.6 @ 104.9.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...lenger_rt.html

i have also seen posted on challenger boards timeslips for stock R/T's hitting 13.4 and one as low as 13.1(hard to believe, i know) with only pulling the air filter and lowering rear tire pressure.

http://www.dodgechallenger.com/forum..._3/key_/tm.htm

look for 10secdodge's posts. he has witnesses and slips posted.

with a good driver the R/T can hit some pretty impressive times.

 

while i myself cant vouch for those times with my r/t since i havent really raced it yet (only got 450mi sitting in the garage for the winter) i can sure believe it. there are many people posting rwhp dyno numbers for the new 5.7 hemi that put it in the 390-400hp range. can you say underatted? along with 410ft/lbs of torque should be more than enough to get 4000lbs in the low 13's if driven right. i've messaged 10secdodge (his name is Tony) back and forth and he does a few hundred passes a year at the strip, so he knows what hes doing. he's well known on the moparts board, so yes, he does have witnesses for those times too.

some might call me partial to the challenger since i own one now, but i'm a gm guy too and believe the camaro SS to outperform the R/T, so no agrument there. it just irks me to see a well known publication like edmunds post such horrid numbers for a car that really is much better than that and then the average guy thinks the car is a dog when thats the first video you see on youtube.