Canadian Impala and Monte Carlo will get 303hp
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Re: Canadian Impala and Monte Carlo will get 303hp
Originally Posted by kefkafloyd
Why aren't modern temp gauges marked with numbers?
New Car (Guage Needles do not move):
[Sensor: "/\/\/\"]------[Computer]-------[Guage Needle: "-----"]
Old Car (Guage Needles show actual):
[Sensor: "/\/\/\"]----------------------- [Guage Needle: "/\/\/\"]
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Re: Canadian Impala and Monte Carlo will get 303hp
I thought that most guages these days were dummy gauges anyways, as in they always read everything is O.K. unless it gets really bad and then they swing down. Serves the same point as a light.
Edit:nevermind, didn't see that last post
Edit:nevermind, didn't see that last post
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Re: Canadian Impala and Monte Carlo will get 303hp
With my wife's GTP I'm so tempted to put a steel plate on the instrument cluster and mount autometer guages on it with proper volt, fuel, and boost guages.
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Re: Canadian Impala and Monte Carlo will get 303hp
Originally Posted by morb|d
those guages are useless about 99% of the time. the oil guage is especially useless since it has a total of 1/4in of operation for a 1in+ scale. wooo, look i just slightly tapped the throttle, the engine is 200 rpm off idle and the guage is already maxed out. If the pressure goes LOW, then a light should come up indicating so. the alt guage is equally useless beause the only time you will have to know any information about current is if there is none in which case a again a light would do. if you need to know the current for diagnostic reasons, i hope you won't be using the guage inside the guage cluster and instead a properly calibrated multi-meter.
I'd trade in an accurate fuel guage for both the oil and amp guages yesturday. also a tire pressure guage would be infinitely more useful to have because it's more of a safety issue. i've seen people drive with low tires and when i mentioned it to them they didn't even realise their tires were low. at least this thing could tell them by using a flashing light or a n audible warning of some kind.
btw, I think it would be a great idea to have the car actually TELL you what's wrong rather than just show you. it doesn't have to nag or anything, but it could just alert to a possible problem once or twice. i think people are that much more likely to pay attention to someone that tells them in plain english "this and this is wrong..." than just a light flashing in the dash. we're half way through the fist decade of the 21st century, this would require an extra 20kb of code and what, 2mb of solid state memory to store the compressed audio for all possible conceivable errors to be reported?? any junior java monkey could whip that up in 2 days. it would take a real developer at most 2 months to develope this in machine code and test it theroughly. DO IT.
I'd trade in an accurate fuel guage for both the oil and amp guages yesturday. also a tire pressure guage would be infinitely more useful to have because it's more of a safety issue. i've seen people drive with low tires and when i mentioned it to them they didn't even realise their tires were low. at least this thing could tell them by using a flashing light or a n audible warning of some kind.
btw, I think it would be a great idea to have the car actually TELL you what's wrong rather than just show you. it doesn't have to nag or anything, but it could just alert to a possible problem once or twice. i think people are that much more likely to pay attention to someone that tells them in plain english "this and this is wrong..." than just a light flashing in the dash. we're half way through the fist decade of the 21st century, this would require an extra 20kb of code and what, 2mb of solid state memory to store the compressed audio for all possible conceivable errors to be reported?? any junior java monkey could whip that up in 2 days. it would take a real developer at most 2 months to develope this in machine code and test it theroughly. DO IT.
To take this a little further, why do we need a tach? All automatic cars shouldn't have them. And for manual cars - just have a yellow light for RPMs approaching high, and RED for critical.
I think guages are great. Oil pressure is a very good indicator just how warmed up the engine is, and may show a potential wear and tear on the engine - something the dummy light won't tell.
Alt guage also proved useful. When the alternator cut out, alt guage started getting low. That was a good warning sign to shut off A/C, radio, and any accessories, including lights, to get to the nearest station.
Useless? Not to me. To average person? Who knows, but we're not average people around here.
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Re: Canadian Impala and Monte Carlo will get 303hp
Originally Posted by WERM
....I don't think I'm wrong... but why is it that:
When I drive a new car and it is warmed up all the needles are pegged dead center and never move?
When I drive an older car, I can see the temperature needle move as the thermostat opens and closes. I can see the oil pressure needle swing as I increase/decrease the engine RPM. The voltage guage needle also changes with load and RPM. Hell, even the fuel gauge would fluctuate if I slam on the brakes and the tank is almost empty.
When I drive a new car and it is warmed up all the needles are pegged dead center and never move?
When I drive an older car, I can see the temperature needle move as the thermostat opens and closes. I can see the oil pressure needle swing as I increase/decrease the engine RPM. The voltage guage needle also changes with load and RPM. Hell, even the fuel gauge would fluctuate if I slam on the brakes and the tank is almost empty.
But one thing I remember was 1984 Audi 5000 my parents used to have. That was the only car where fuel needle did not move at turns or acceleration or breaking, when comapred to other cars. COmputerized? In 1984? Don't think so. My only explanation was that the reaction time was VERY slow, which reduced the bouncing of the needle back and forth. Loved it.
Perhaps current cars are similar, with higher tolerance for fluctuation and slower response time.
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Re: Canadian Impala and Monte Carlo will get 303hp
See my earlier posts in this thread... basically, they aren't really guages any more, they are controlled by the car's computer instead of a 'live feed'. On a newer car, your temperature guage may point dead center, but that location on the dial encompases a range of temperatures, not a single temperature. As long as the temperature is in a set range, the computer just puts the needle in the middle. The other guages work basically the same way. They are all really more of a display screen than a guage. This is all because some people complain that the needles fluctuate. If 1 person in 100 complains about this, the car drops way back in JD Power Ratings.
I had an air pocket on a 2005 Lesabre from a busted radiator last night.. When I drove the car, that gauge let me know there was an air pocket. It jumped around for sure.. No dummy light would have picked it up.. Those gauges do move, unlike some display screen you mention..
Once again like mentioned earlier in this thread, the oil and volt gauges will fluctuate also..., not some display screen like you mention..
If you want to race the car, then maybe you should upgrade to aftermarket gauges
But for daily driving, gauges are a damn good indicator of potential problems, and o not just sit there doing nothing..
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Re: Canadian Impala and Monte Carlo will get 303hp
Originally Posted by muckz
To take this a little further, why do we need a tach? All automatic cars shouldn't have them. And for manual cars - just have a yellow light for RPMs approaching high, and RED for critical.
I think guages are great. Oil pressure is a very good indicator just how warmed up the engine is, and may show a potential wear and tear on the engine - something the dummy light won't tell.
Alt guage also proved useful. When the alternator cut out, alt guage started getting low. That was a good warning sign to shut off A/C, radio, and any accessories, including lights, to get to the nearest station.
Useless? Not to me. To average person? Who knows, but we're not average people around here.
I think guages are great. Oil pressure is a very good indicator just how warmed up the engine is, and may show a potential wear and tear on the engine - something the dummy light won't tell.
Alt guage also proved useful. When the alternator cut out, alt guage started getting low. That was a good warning sign to shut off A/C, radio, and any accessories, including lights, to get to the nearest station.
Useless? Not to me. To average person? Who knows, but we're not average people around here.
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Re: Canadian Impala and Monte Carlo will get 303hp
yea, even on an auto, i feel like a tach is helpful
like if you're in 2nd gear, you'd like to see how much your motor is revving (2nd gear select in an auto)
i hate driving the work trucks we have with no tach, just feels wrong (even if it is a truck)
like if you're in 2nd gear, you'd like to see how much your motor is revving (2nd gear select in an auto)
i hate driving the work trucks we have with no tach, just feels wrong (even if it is a truck)
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Re: Canadian Impala and Monte Carlo will get 303hp
Originally Posted by WERM
See my earlier posts in this thread... basically, they aren't really guages any more, they are controlled by the car's computer instead of a 'live feed'.
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Exactly. It really sucks. Basically they are selling guages for looks, thats all. Hell most kids these days if its got guages and they're white faced it's a racer, lol.
Point in hand, my 02' Venture temp guage never moves only as the engine slowly heats up. The temp gage in an old beater I have (84' Pontiac 6000) is a Sunpro aftermarket (dash guage went out and didn't feel like giving GM a forture for one little part). I can watch the temp go to about 200 then see the thermostat open up, and then drop to 180 and repeat.
You don't see that cycle in newer vehicles (at least any i've driven in). The reason is exactly people don't like moving needles (they think its bad or something). I think there's a time delay like on fuel tanks, probably even on other guages to make sure its just not a short fluctuation. And I also think typical movements (ie thermo opening/closing) are writting off so the guages don't move. It's a nice feature for most people, I on the other hand like to see if my Thermostat's doing its job
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Same with Oil Pressure, I have a remote cartridge filter setup I'm using on my 85 camaro (Internormen 25 Micron Absolute filter - I happen to work for Internormen). Anyhow, When I'm doing this much remote and I have a higher Pressure oil pump operating, I for damn sure want to know where my oil pressure is at. My filter clogging light trips at 22psid, and when it's that high, I like to watch my oil pressure because it will be slightly lower then usual. Anyhow, I do wierd ****. I only have to change my oil filter about every two years 
Point in hand, my 02' Venture temp guage never moves only as the engine slowly heats up. The temp gage in an old beater I have (84' Pontiac 6000) is a Sunpro aftermarket (dash guage went out and didn't feel like giving GM a forture for one little part). I can watch the temp go to about 200 then see the thermostat open up, and then drop to 180 and repeat.
You don't see that cycle in newer vehicles (at least any i've driven in). The reason is exactly people don't like moving needles (they think its bad or something). I think there's a time delay like on fuel tanks, probably even on other guages to make sure its just not a short fluctuation. And I also think typical movements (ie thermo opening/closing) are writting off so the guages don't move. It's a nice feature for most people, I on the other hand like to see if my Thermostat's doing its job
.Same with Oil Pressure, I have a remote cartridge filter setup I'm using on my 85 camaro (Internormen 25 Micron Absolute filter - I happen to work for Internormen). Anyhow, When I'm doing this much remote and I have a higher Pressure oil pump operating, I for damn sure want to know where my oil pressure is at. My filter clogging light trips at 22psid, and when it's that high, I like to watch my oil pressure because it will be slightly lower then usual. Anyhow, I do wierd ****.
I only have to change my oil filter about every two years
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Re: Canadian Impala and Monte Carlo will get 303hp
After doing some research on this, I did find that some vehices do use a "dummy gauge" with oil pressure. I did not find GM doing this though from what I have seen so far... I also can not find anything that uses a dummy gauge for temperature, except a 20 degree stationary range for the thermostat opening and closing.
Some cars have antislosh modules for the fuel gauges....
Some cars have antislosh modules for the fuel gauges....
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