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Old Sep 12, 2003 | 11:11 AM
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That makes the SS nothing more than a model designator, and not a "performance model per se. Think "GT" as in Mustang GT, and you have the idea behind Chevrolet's SS.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say.
There have and will be, many Ford models with a "GT" emblem. It is a model designator like SS is. Both are created for volume sales.We are most familiar with Mustang...but there have been many more, like Probe GT and Torino GT, and others.

GT is Ford's parallel to SS, rather than SVT.

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Old Sep 12, 2003 | 12:42 PM
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Well I guess the current SS's fill that order except with performance.
You can't order the supercharged 3.8 in a base Monte or an Impala LS, can you? There is no factory lowered Silverado available with different bumpers, AWD, 20's, and the top 6.0 GM makes besides the SS Silverado that I know of...

As I said in the other thread, you are missing the point. SS means performance upgrade but not necessarily blistering performance upgrade.
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by Z28Wilson

As I said in the other thread, you are missing the point. SS means performance upgrade but not necessarily blistering performance upgrade.
That's exactly right. If every SS truck has to be faster than an SVT Lightning or SRT-10 and every SS car has to be faster than an '03 SVT Cobra...then, SS as a strategy, will fail.


If SS means performance upgrades....at a reasonable price and with mass appeal...then it will be a huge success.
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 01:29 PM
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SS means performance upgrade but not necessarily blistering performance upgrade.
You got that right.The SSs of today is nothing like it was in the 60's.I know that we probably can't have the big blocks of yore but damn..today it's just mostly a weak performance upgraded V6, for one,FWD, with a trim package.Today's society is pussified..so is the SS.
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 01:39 PM
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You got that right.The SSs of today is nothing like it was in the 60's.
But I'll tell you something though.....

I would stack up the current Impala SS's straight line performance against 90% of the SS's from the '60s....including most (but not all) big blocks.

If you're talking total performance, ie., braking, handling.....the Impala SS would put the hurt on all of 'em.
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 01:50 PM
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If the new Malibu SS comes with that rumored 285hp V6, i think it would uphold the SS name quite well in performance
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 01:55 PM
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If the new Malibu SS comes with that rumored 285hp V6, i think it would uphold the SS name quite well in performance
I think it will too...

It just won't be as pretty as the G6.
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by 97z28/m6
then can we have a z/28 go against the svt cobra or is the ss the top dog and the z/28 below that?

Trying not to go there.....

But the point I'm trying to make, (leaving Camaro out of it, for now) is...that you cannot take a performance brand or designation designed for mass appeal...and compete tit for tat, with a limited production, performance focused organization like SVT successfully.

Because, even if you win....that is outsell them...you've lost, because you haven't captured enough volume.

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Old Sep 12, 2003 | 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by Z284ever
But I'll tell you something though.....

I would stack up the current Impala SS's straight line performance against 90% of the SS's from the '60s....including most (but not all) big blocks.

If you're talking total performance, ie., braking, handling.....the Impala SS would put the hurt on all of 'em.
You can say what you want but todays SS is a far cry of what the SS was back then and what it meant to everyone else.I'm just saying that Chevy should come up with another performance line than keep demeaning(sp?) what the SS meant for so many people,back then and now.
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 02:28 PM
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Ford uses "GT" to distinguish between the base V6 Mustang and the sportier V8 Mustang. Therefore, we compare "Z28" with "GT" and "SS" with "Cobra" (SVT), and it isn't much of a stretch for us to compare "SS" to SVT as a whole.

The major difference here is SVT is a performance group, whereas "SS" is just a model designation.

Does Chevrolet need a special "SS" performance group? I say yes if they want to keep up with the Joneses, something they have shown us as being difficult for them to do.

Chevrolet had one "SS" model that could beat the competition... and they killed it!
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by 97z28/m6
then can we have a z/28 go against the svt cobra or is the ss the top dog and the z/28 below that?
You're throwing bait out there. Don't do it.


I think no one should even mention Z28 on this thread.....pretty please.
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by Z284ever
I think it will too...

It just won't be as pretty as the G6.
I don't know. I REALLY liked the look of that blue Malibu SS that was shown earlier this year. Maybe with a little more exterior enhancements, it could be really great. It may not look as good as the GXP, who knows.............but I think the Malibu SS looked really good.
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 02:41 PM
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Old Sep 12, 2003 | 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by SNEAKY NEIL
I don't know. I REALLY liked the look of that blue Malibu SS that was shown earlier this year. Maybe with a little more exterior enhancements, it could be really great. It may not look as good as the GXP, who knows.............but I think the Malibu SS looked really good.
Maybe you're right.

When I saw the Malibu in person....I can't really say that it quickened my pulse...but it's overall quality look, ie., fit and finish and interior....didn't give me the overwhelming impression of "vanilla" that the pictures do.
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by Z284ever
I would stack up the current Impala SS's straight line performance against 90% of the SS's from the '60s....including most (but not all) big blocks.
Whoop-tee-do - it barely holds its own against the Accord and Altima. I'm not impressed.

Placed amongst its comtemporaries, it doesn't appear to exhibit any exceptional performance. That's what makes it disappointed. Oh, yea, that and the fact that virtually the same package has been available for years as the GTP.

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