C6 brakes...what a joke....
Re: C6 brakes...what a joke....
Originally Posted by Ken S
well, the next problem is, people can't find any replacement pads.. GM or aftermarket.. there are none available.. (one get got a custom set from Carbotech)
Maybe Z06's are selling faster than anticipated? 
I suspect that'll be remedied in the next few weeks at most.
I have a set of C6 Z06 brakes on order for my C5.....so I guess I'm putting my $$ where my mouth is....we'll see.
Re: C6 brakes...what a joke....
Originally Posted by NewbieWar
well doug... allow me to learn a bit...

if the reason for cross drilled rottors is to reduce heat... and by using them backwards, they accually build up heat, thus getting hotter...
so while one side is accually cooling down, the other side is heating up...
the brakes would be less effective wouldnt they? because they are hotter...
soo... because brakes on one side are being less effective, thus giving a loss of control...
so while one side is accually cooling down, the other side is heating up...
the brakes would be less effective wouldnt they? because they are hotter...
soo... because brakes on one side are being less effective, thus giving a loss of control...
Vane direction is all we're really debating here....and I've found two of the world's best mfr's doing the opposite of each other, so what's right???
I'd guess that ANY fan effect due to vane direction is severely hampered by the close tolerances of the inside radius of the rotor face to spindle hub...not a lot of area here to either pull air or push it....
Add to that a brake cooling duct is moving a ton of air directly at the rotor and it's easy to surmize that it would overtake any small fan effect of directional rotors.
This truly sounds like a much bigger issue that real world engineering could support the additional cost.
Give me functional brake ducting any day.
Re: C6 brakes...what a joke....
Originally Posted by Doug Harden
Now THAT is a problem...but why the subcontractor hasn't ramped up production is beyond me...
Maybe Z06's are selling faster than anticipated? 
I suspect that'll be remedied in the next few weeks at most.
I have a set of C6 Z06 brakes on order for my C5.....so I guess I'm putting my $$ where my mouth is....we'll see.
Maybe Z06's are selling faster than anticipated? 
I suspect that'll be remedied in the next few weeks at most.
I have a set of C6 Z06 brakes on order for my C5.....so I guess I'm putting my $$ where my mouth is....we'll see.

Re: C6 brakes...what a joke....
Originally Posted by Chris 96 WS6
Well, again Doug, then why not just cast 1 rotor PN# with straight vanes, at least that way both sides are equal rather than the potential for a temp differential. The ducting on the pass. side isn't going to do much good if the rotor is pumping air opposite of the duct.
It would seem uber obvious to me, granted I'm not a bean counter or an engineer, just a lowly consumer, that if separate L and R rotors were cost prohibitive, then maybe we should stick to a uni-directional rotor. DUH!!
It would seem uber obvious to me, granted I'm not a bean counter or an engineer, just a lowly consumer, that if separate L and R rotors were cost prohibitive, then maybe we should stick to a uni-directional rotor. DUH!!
Re: C6 brakes...what a joke....
Originally Posted by HAZ-Matt
And there is the correct answer, ha. Or they should have simply stuck with rotors from the base car.
Re: C6 brakes...what a joke....
Originally Posted by Doug Harden
That's why we're here 
Whoa there little buddy....the cross drilling is for gas release and NOT cooling of the rotor....it's in fact detrimental to cooling due to the loss of mass in the rotor....and the loss of surface area.

Whoa there little buddy....the cross drilling is for gas release and NOT cooling of the rotor....it's in fact detrimental to cooling due to the loss of mass in the rotor....and the loss of surface area.
Re: C6 brakes...what a joke....
I honestly thought the slotted BAER rotors in my Pro+ set I used to run on my '94 Z/28....were better in the rain because they let the water out from under the pads....and of course were like boat anchors on the track.
Re: C6 brakes...what a joke....
Here's some better info from StopTech's site on curved vane rotors...
http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...lections.shtml
http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...lections.shtml
AIR COOLING
Most of the enormous amounts of heat generated during deceleration must be dissipated into the free air stream.
Most high performance (and/or heavy) cars today use some variation of the "ventilated" brake disc in which air entering the center or "eye" of the rotor is forced through the interior of the rotor by the pumping action of the rotating assembly. The most efficient practical way yet devised to accomplish this is through the use of the "curved vane" ventilated brake rotor originally designed for the LeMans winning Ford GT 40s in 1966. In this design the interior vanes are curved to form an efficient pump impeller. They also stabilize the rotor from distortion and serve as very effective barriers to stop the propagation of cracks due to thermal stress. In laboratory testing STOPTECH's innovative design developments in the 48 vane rotors have increased air flow through the rotor by an astounding 61% over some OEM rotors and from 10-15% over racing rotors of the same size. This results in a cost effective but very stable direct replacement rotor that runs typically 15% cooler than stock and 7% cooler than racing designs.
Most of the enormous amounts of heat generated during deceleration must be dissipated into the free air stream.
Most high performance (and/or heavy) cars today use some variation of the "ventilated" brake disc in which air entering the center or "eye" of the rotor is forced through the interior of the rotor by the pumping action of the rotating assembly. The most efficient practical way yet devised to accomplish this is through the use of the "curved vane" ventilated brake rotor originally designed for the LeMans winning Ford GT 40s in 1966. In this design the interior vanes are curved to form an efficient pump impeller. They also stabilize the rotor from distortion and serve as very effective barriers to stop the propagation of cracks due to thermal stress. In laboratory testing STOPTECH's innovative design developments in the 48 vane rotors have increased air flow through the rotor by an astounding 61% over some OEM rotors and from 10-15% over racing rotors of the same size. This results in a cost effective but very stable direct replacement rotor that runs typically 15% cooler than stock and 7% cooler than racing designs.
Re: C6 brakes...what a joke....
http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/faqs.shtml#15
This link explained their AeroRotors® rotors and claims them to be a good air "pump"...
This link explained their AeroRotors® rotors and claims them to be a good air "pump"...
Which is better, slotted or drilled rotors?
StopTech provides rotors slotted, drilled or plain. For most performance applications slotted is the preferred choice. Slotting helps wipe away debris from between the pad and rotor as well as increasing the "bite" characteristics of the pad. A drilled rotor provides the same type of benefit, but is more susceptible to cracking under severe usage. Many customers prefer the look of a drilled rotor and for street and occasional light duty track use they will work fine. For more severe applications, we recommend slotted rotors.
How do I tell what direction the rotors go on the car?

(Driver's perspective looking forward)
The StopTech AeroRotors® are directional. If they are not installed on the proper side of the vehicle, airflow will be restricted and cooling will be severely diminished. The vanes on a rotor act like a centrifugal air fan, drawing air from the inside of the rotor and flowing it to the outside. The vanes of a directional rotor should arch back like arms on a pinwheel. On the top side of the rotor, the vanes should curve toward the back of the car.

(Driver's perspective looking forward)
The slots on StopTech AeroRotors are cut in the OPPOSITE direction of the vanes. The pattern on a drilled AeroRotor also has the same appearance. The direction of the slots or hole pattern should not be used to determine what side of the vehicle to place a rotor. Different manufacturers may have different strategies for slot and hole patterns.
The only correct way to determine what side a directional rotor goes on is the internal vane direction.
StopTech provides rotors slotted, drilled or plain. For most performance applications slotted is the preferred choice. Slotting helps wipe away debris from between the pad and rotor as well as increasing the "bite" characteristics of the pad. A drilled rotor provides the same type of benefit, but is more susceptible to cracking under severe usage. Many customers prefer the look of a drilled rotor and for street and occasional light duty track use they will work fine. For more severe applications, we recommend slotted rotors.
How do I tell what direction the rotors go on the car?

(Driver's perspective looking forward)
The StopTech AeroRotors® are directional. If they are not installed on the proper side of the vehicle, airflow will be restricted and cooling will be severely diminished. The vanes on a rotor act like a centrifugal air fan, drawing air from the inside of the rotor and flowing it to the outside. The vanes of a directional rotor should arch back like arms on a pinwheel. On the top side of the rotor, the vanes should curve toward the back of the car.

(Driver's perspective looking forward)
The slots on StopTech AeroRotors are cut in the OPPOSITE direction of the vanes. The pattern on a drilled AeroRotor also has the same appearance. The direction of the slots or hole pattern should not be used to determine what side of the vehicle to place a rotor. Different manufacturers may have different strategies for slot and hole patterns.
The only correct way to determine what side a directional rotor goes on is the internal vane direction.
Re: C6 brakes...what a joke....
Here's the thread on Z06vette.com.....they seem to agree that it doesn't matter to 90% of the Corvette drivers, but is not the best thing....
Most complained about the penny pinching....but no-one knew if it was planned or a supply problem (the rotors are marked LEFT).....but honestly, it couldn't have cost that much, if an more at all to do both sides right.
There aren't even any replacement pads available yet, so it might just be a supply problem and GM thought the release date meant more than a 5% or less brake problem...
Still waiting on an official response from Chevy though....
I did read, however, that Mercedes does the same thing.....
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90293
Most complained about the penny pinching....but no-one knew if it was planned or a supply problem (the rotors are marked LEFT).....but honestly, it couldn't have cost that much, if an more at all to do both sides right.
There aren't even any replacement pads available yet, so it might just be a supply problem and GM thought the release date meant more than a 5% or less brake problem...
Still waiting on an official response from Chevy though....
I did read, however, that Mercedes does the same thing.....
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90293
Last edited by Doug Harden; Jan 17, 2006 at 09:22 PM.
Re: C6 brakes...what a joke....
I really hope GM fixes this crap. It irritates me, and I don't even own the car.
The z06 calipers are still a nice piece though. Wouldn't mind getting my hands on a set of them. Makes you wonder though, that if GM did in fact cheap out, and it wasn't a supply issue, why did they decide to cheap out on rotors on a car that already has 20 damn brake pads.
The z06 calipers are still a nice piece though. Wouldn't mind getting my hands on a set of them. Makes you wonder though, that if GM did in fact cheap out, and it wasn't a supply issue, why did they decide to cheap out on rotors on a car that already has 20 damn brake pads.
Re: C6 brakes...what a joke....
Well, I can say this,
The vanes will work in either direction, to a certain extent. Directional will work better than non directional, and also better than lefties on the right.
As for calling it a pump....... well, a pump compresses air. While there may be minimal compression, it is mostly centrifigal force pulling air through the vanes...Wider at the outside, narrower on the inside.
In maximum baking applications, I would suggest going with a set of aftermarket rotors AND pads, I would suggest that anyway if you are racing.
touting this as a race ready car, that could be driven daily on the street, I really don't get why they skimped. Because there will be some yahoo that will buy it, drive it daily then take it to the track on weekends, and like an earlier post said, go into the turns hotter as he learns his car, and will get into trouble.
The vanes will work in either direction, to a certain extent. Directional will work better than non directional, and also better than lefties on the right.
As for calling it a pump....... well, a pump compresses air. While there may be minimal compression, it is mostly centrifigal force pulling air through the vanes...Wider at the outside, narrower on the inside.
In maximum baking applications, I would suggest going with a set of aftermarket rotors AND pads, I would suggest that anyway if you are racing.
touting this as a race ready car, that could be driven daily on the street, I really don't get why they skimped. Because there will be some yahoo that will buy it, drive it daily then take it to the track on weekends, and like an earlier post said, go into the turns hotter as he learns his car, and will get into trouble.


