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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 08:14 PM
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I agree. I paged through this thread looking for a response from Guy or even Red saying it's way off base. The fact that neither has jumped in is encouraging
Well Red has been posted in a while. I dunno if he is around or not. I'm going to try and met him at the North Texas F-Body Spring GTG.

I'm surprised Guy has not said anything i here yet. These are usually his threads.
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 09:46 PM
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If the camaro design is still in clay form as someone supposedly "in the know" claimed several months ago on this board;, that has gotta be some dry crusted up clay by now... Hopefully it has been reproduced in foam or wood form... if they even still use wood for mock ups
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Brangeta
If the camaro design is still in clay form as someone supposedly "in the know" claimed several months ago on this board;, that has gotta be some dry crusted up clay by now... Hopefully it has been reproduced in foam or wood form... if they even still use wood for mock ups
They clay stays fresh when you keep resculpting it.
Old Feb 19, 2005 | 12:07 AM
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Don't they have computers now days that project 3-D images and simulations? I'm sure they still do a clay model, but I'd imagine they don't spend as much time on it as they used to.
Old Feb 19, 2005 | 02:26 PM
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Well, they use 3D programs similar if not exactly like autoCAD to cut out 3D things on clay, but I think they still do it by hand too.
Old Feb 19, 2005 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
Don't forget the L92 and its 6.2L. I think Z284ever once metioned that this would be just for trucks (correct me if I'm wrong).

also a 6.4L was originally developed to be the LS7 for the Z06. A 6.4L was also offered in the Woodward GTO. I got a feeling this isn't the last we've seen of that engine.
I believe your feeling is justified.
Old Feb 19, 2005 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
They clay stays fresh when you keep resculpting it.
I think this is a VERY good thing
Old Feb 19, 2005 | 05:33 PM
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I think this is a VERY good thing
They can sculpt all they freaking want. They're still a day late and a dollar short. Ford is wiping the floor with them in this type of market, because of their own bad judgment, and theres nothing they can do right now to help it.
Old Feb 19, 2005 | 06:15 PM
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Hey Z284Ever, Didn't we discuss the Camaro RS as a true AWD Rally car about a year ago?
Old Feb 19, 2005 | 06:50 PM
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Awd

Hello there. This is my first post, hope ya guys don't mind me jumping in. Several years ago when I was dreaming about what a 'perfect' sports car would be, I speculated on whether it would have AWD. Looking at some of other cars that have that feature, like the Subaru Outback, they seem to tout that fact, as if it gave them a jump on the competition. What would be wrong with a sporty car having AWD? Just wondering....
Old Feb 19, 2005 | 09:11 PM
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I might be wrong, but I don't believe you get such a rush from accelerating in an AWD car. It doesn't pin you back into your seat in comparison to a RWD car. It will pin you back, but the rear end won't sink down as much when it does so as a RWD car.

I'm not completely against it, I just know I don't want AWD. It costs a lot of money to have those 3 differentials and other parts.

Plus, I'm not sure if I would like feeling the power of the front wheels spinning when I drive. I would think AWD would have certain design restrictions that I wouldn't appreciate also. Can you imagine a C4 Corvette or 4th gen f-body with AWD? it would probably make your feet go numb. The only recent low slung and sleek AWD car was the Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4, but I have never ridden in one to know if the interior had to be weird to compensate for the AWD. I sure as hell know I don't want to be driving sitting upright like you do in a Subaru or Lancer, and I don't want the car looking like a box either, so my inclination is to say no to AWD.
Old Feb 20, 2005 | 02:02 AM
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There needs to be an LS7 option for a new Camaro.
Old Feb 20, 2005 | 02:13 AM
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Hey Z284Ever, Didn't we discuss the Camaro RS as a true AWD Rally car about a year ago?
Yeah, this thread is sort of a re-run, but at least we're discussing a 5th gen for a change.
Old Feb 20, 2005 | 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by AronZ28
Don't they have computers now days that project 3-D images and simulations? I'm sure they still do a clay model, but I'd imagine they don't spend as much time on it as they used to.
The clays are every bit as important as the intial sketchs and auto cad . Most final "detail" desicions are made during the clay modeling process , because you can actually see a real life version .
Old Feb 20, 2005 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by stars1010
I'm surprised Guy has not said anything i here yet. These are usually his threads.
It was only a matter of time.

Originally Posted by formula79
I remember mention that the AWD system would be rated for at least 400HP since it was mainly a Holden developed feature and would have to work on their V8 cars.
Actually, it's not the HP, it's the torque.

That leads me to the next Z28. I think we can assume the Z28 program will be similar to the Z06 program in that we will see focus on saving weight and building an all out "total performance" road racer.
That's the vibes I'm getting.


Originally Posted by Geoff Chadwick
We dont know whats going on with the GMNA/Holden thing yet. That'll be figured out over the next 8 months or so I think.
Ditto

I agree, the AWD wouldnt hurt, but I think that the added costs will hit the Camaro even if they use the sigma chassis. Think about it. Re-tooling the Sigma chassis to accept a powerful AWD system (and having tooling for a low power vs a high power is a really silly idea) would make the whole chassis more expensive, even without the AWD systems installed. The frame had to be clearanced, everything has to be setup to go either way. That cost will be put onto every vehicle that sits on the chassis.
Look at the new STS. It has optional AWD.

NO. Dealerships will probably be stupid and mark the Camaro up anyway.
That's a very safe bet. If there's anything that's a 100%, bonafide, complete certainty, it's that dealers are going to mark up the snot out of the next Camaro when it comes. Just like they did the GTO, just like they are likely to do with the Solstice. GM generally exercises less influence on dealer pricing than Ford or Chrysler tends to, so if you want an early 5th gen Camaro, bring lots of Vasiline.... and don't expect dinner first.



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