Prove it. You disagree? Prove it. Show me a 300 base model with a moonroof, ABS, all power options (including power height adjustement on the seat AND power adjustable pedals, 6 CD changer), and alloy wheels for $23,400. I know what they cost because I just ordered 2.

Go ahead. Prove it. It won't happen. Base model 300s with hubcaps START around that. Better yet, show me a leather Touring model 300 with all the stuff a $26k G6 GT has (moonroof, heated leather, chrome alloys, etc.) for $26k.

Come on. Prove it.

 

Just a point of interest............. and on topic.

Maybe Businessweek would like to revisit this topic in a couple of months.

Fords car sales were UP 7.5% in February. This is the first time that Fords car sales have been up 2 months in a row, in a very long time. Ford 500, Freestyle, and Mercury Montego sales were up 35% over January sales, at a rate of 190,000 units per year. Very close to Fords target of 200,000 per year........... and climbing strongly every month.

It is to be emphisized that this is with no rebates, and no fleet sales.

Mustang sales were up 32% in February, with a retail increase of 57%. Again, due to no excess capacity for rental/fleet sales.

Thus, Ford is doing what it wants and needs to do. Increasing sales in vehicles with very low to no incentives............ and actually increasing car sales. With the price of fuel, and the downturn in sales of trucks/SUV's, increasing car sales is just what they need.

With the 7.5% increase in car sales, it almost negated a 8% decrease in truck sales. Giving Ford an overall sales loss of 2.9% for February. This is significantly better than GM's overall loss of 12.7%.

It would appear that maybe........... just maybe.......... conservative is not such a bad thing.

BTW, the Duratec 3.5L goes into production in the last quarter of this year. That should eliminate "some" of the criticism.

 

23,400? You guys must sell cheap! The have a 1500 rebate and selling for 28k!

 

The 500 is a great car. While some might think its bland, its handsome in its own right. Its the quitest car I have ever been in, I mean luxury car quiet. It may not be the most powerful but its got tons of room. It also sells for about the same or a little less then the g6. The 500 is a better car for the price.

 

No, you aren't following my post. $23,400 is the MSRP of a BASE MODEL G6 with the aforementioned equipment. Hence why I compared it to a BASE 300. That is NOT what I am selling GTs for. That's why I used the 300 Touring model as a comparison to the GT model.

And that's the point!!!! There ARE base model G6s out there...not all are $28k GTs, and as a matter of fact the only way to get even a GT to $28k is to even add in $700 side impact airbags. And when you consider GA GTs were pushing almost $25k loaded, what is the big deal about a $28k G6 with way more equipment???? People who complain about the G6 pricing need to, you know, read more or something.

You managed to make my point for me. Not all G6s are $28k, and it is quite possible to get a VERY nicely equipped G6 for a strong price. When the 4 bangers come out, that will help even more.

 

Someone at my office just got a new Liquid Silver G6 GT this week... stickered for $25,425...

Leased it for 24 months, 24000 miles... $0 down, paying $233/mo.

 

$25,425 = base G6 GT with the Solid Value package with On-Star, normal moonroof, chrome wheels and 6 CD changer...how close am I???

 

I believe you are spot-on, ol' chap.

For the record, how would you consider he did payment wise with a $233.xx payment on the 24 month, 24,000 lease with nothing down but 1st payment and license plate fee?

 

Like I said, sitting in the car I like it. FOr 3 to 5k less I would love it. At the current pricing the 300, the Magnum and the 500 are a better value.

 

I have to agree. The G6 is really nice, its just not all that appealing when you can get a decently optioned Grand Am GT between 23,800 and 25,000 or a decently optioned Grand Prix for ...oddly enough, about the same price range. I personally dont see any reason to not just get a grand prix when the G6 GT costs 25,200+. Id say it needs to be at least 1.5k less if it wants to fit in the line up as far as value goes.

 

I think thats what GM thinks as well. Thats why they offered the 1500 rebate! Not quite enough for me. The percived quality when sitting in the car is at least another 1.5k less. 3k off and I give it the value edge in the market.

 

1. The base Mustang is a spectacular looking car for the money and deserves to sell well. (I still wouldn't buy one, if only because of the lack of stability control and an IRS.)

2. The 500, Montego and Freestyle are overweight, underpowered and have horrible fuel economy for the meager level of performance offered. I'd say that the Audi-clone styling isn't the problem with these cars, it's the 2-ton weight, the wacky CVT and the insipid hand-me-down Duratec derived from the 1996 Taurus.

Having said that, I have to admit that low-end FWD versions of the 500 are credible Taurus replacements. Still, Toyota's new Avalon make higher-end 500s and Montegos look slow, overpriced and just plain silly.


The only problem with that theory is that cars don't make very much of a contribution to profitability. When it comes to the bottom line trucks and SUVs matter, cars don't.

Don't hold your breath. When the 3.5 liter Duratec finally makes it to production, I doubt that it will make much more than 240 horsepower in the 500/Montego/Freestyle.

Yes, Ford will still be "overpowered" by Toyota's new 280 horsepower 3.5 liter.

 

These cars are not about power. They are about safe, comfortable transportation for the family.

 

There are times I come to this board, and I honestly believe people fail to read what other people say. This is one of those times.

PLEASE...to those of you who seem to think the car is priced too high...READ..........

A loaded GA GT sells for $25k. It lacks:

1) Heated leather
2) On Star
3) CD changer
4) On board computer
5) 17" wheels
6) FAR SUPERIOR INTERIOR QUALITY
7) Significantly larger interior

Ok, now stay with me here...I didn't lose you guys yet, did I? Ok, good...

A comparable G6 GT, with the SAME EQUIPMENT....sells for $1,500 more. Oh my god...what a rip off. Yes, $26,500 gets you the same equipment AND what's stated above for the additional $1,500 cost of the G6. Both cars have identical equipment otherwise. Have we followed that? Do I need to spell it out any farther?

Ok, so the way you get a G6 GT any higher is to add items never available on a Grand Am. Panoramic moonroof adds $750. Side impact airbags add $800. So, AT MOST a G6 GT costs $3k more than a loaded Grand Am GT.

If people on here are too cheap to see the additional value offered by a G6, you really haven't seen what new cars cost these days, anyway. I owned a Grand Am GT. It was a pile of crap next to the G6. I'd also like to mention the GP argument is invalid as well. A loaded GP GT is over $29k without the extra $750 they charge for the panoramic roof over a normal moonroof, nor does it have the $800 side airbags at that cost. And fankly, the car is not as nice inside or out. So the G6 GT gives you $1,500 more in equipment for over $1k less. Oh wait...there's the $2,500 spread, $1k over what Joelius needed to be happy.

Comparing a base model G6 to an '04 Grand Am SE reveals the same math. A lot more car for little more money. I hope this is simple enough for people on this board to follow, but something tells me it won't be. Oh, and falchulk, good idea not to challenge me on pricing out a better 300 for less than a G6. Sorry to be a *****, but this whole theory that GM overprices is everything is unfounded and asinine.

Sorry again to hijack a Ford thread. On with the regularly scheduled programming

 

coming from college student who is in the market to lease such a vehicle

1) dont need
2) dont want
3) dont need
4) dont need
5) dont need but would like
6) you got me here
7) dont really care, but you got me here too

i semi-take back, what i said before. You are right about the value i think. i shall elaborate.

[QUOTE=Jason E]Ok, now stay with me here...I didn't lose you guys yet, did I? Ok, good...

A comparable G6 GT, with the SAME EQUIPMENT....sells for $1,500 more. Oh my god...what a rip off. Yes, $26,500 gets you the same equipment AND what's stated above for the additional $1,500 cost of the G6. Both cars have identical equipment otherwise. Have we followed that? Do I need to spell it out any farther?

Ok, so the way you get a G6 GT any higher is to add items never available on a Grand Am. Panoramic moonroof adds $750. Side impact airbags add $800. So, AT MOST a G6 GT costs $3k more than a loaded Grand Am GT.

yea ok, is that supposed to make want to spend more or something? Maybe both I am missing something and this website, but according to this dealer near me it costs 199 a month to lease a G6. My suitemate is leasing a GP with leather and a moonroof for 211 a month. Being that i dont need half the stuff on the G6 that gives it its value, the Grand prix has the same value to me because obviously it also has a roomier interior and superior interior quality to the grand am.

29k? at the dealer nearest me the highest priced GP that ISNT a GTP is 24,900, no lie and its not a small dealer. Fluke or not idk. I have had the opportunity to drive one whereas i have not driven a G6. I love how the GP drives, so i probably have some bias. And for 211 a month, the leather interior is plenty quality and comfortable enough for me. The monsoon sound is a nice touch as well.

Youve got me shot down in 'the math.' That doesnt change the fact that it is does not stand out to this consumer when compared to the GA and GP.

Im done now too.