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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 09:00 PM
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BREAKING: House passes 'cash for clunkers' legislation

The U.S. House approved the "cash for clunkers" legislation earlier today, paving the way for consumers to snag up to $4,500 for trading in their older vehicles for new, more fuel efficient transport.

The bill, which passed 298-119, drew overwhelming support from automakers, local business groups and dealers who claimed the passage could boost sales – further aiding GM and Chrysler's "reinvention" – during the economic downturn.

Although politicians and pundits are sure to weigh-in on the merits of the bill, the specifics appear clear: if your car gets 18 mpg or less and you trade in for a new vehicle the achieves at least 22 mpg, you receive a $3,500 voucher, or $4,500 if the mileage of the new vehicle is 10 mpg higher than your previous heap. SUV, pickup truck and minivan buyers are eligible for a $3,500 voucher if their vehicle gets at least two mpg higher than their trade-in and $4,500 if the vehicle gets five mpg more than their older model. The vehicle has to have been insured for the last year and there is no trade-in value beyond the voucher. The program is also available for leases. Dealers are required to provide proof that the vehicle (1984 MY or later) has been crushed or shredded, and the government estimates that around 25 million vehicles are eligible.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/09/h...s-legislation/
Old Jun 9, 2009 | 09:38 PM
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Well, Does that mean if I traded in my 1983 camaro that gets 15mpg I could basically get 3500 or so toward the purchase of a nice LS1 4th Gen? We all realize that what is going to happen is the prices of all the vehicles are just going to increase that much so someone can make up the difference.
Old Jun 9, 2009 | 10:07 PM
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The funny thing is..a lot of mainstream older cars get better gas mailage than most of what is in the same class that you would buy today. This will only make sense if you downsize.

With the debt we have..this is absolutly laughable. Not to mention the idea that someone who is driving a car that has no trade in value would be out shopping for new cars. I know there are cases like maybe kids out of college..but it is certainly not common.

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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 10:19 PM
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hmmm my 16 mpg Ford Explorer for a new 6M Camaro SS....
Old Jun 9, 2009 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Angelis83LT
Well, Does that mean if I traded in my 1983 camaro that gets 15mpg I could basically get 3500 or so toward the purchase of a nice LS1 4th Gen? We all realize that what is going to happen is the prices of all the vehicles are just going to increase that much so someone can make up the difference.
Nope.
- 1984 or later only. (This is good, because it protects most 'classics')
- You have to put it towards a new vehicle

I'm fairly pleased at this legislation because it mainly targets SUVs. Very few cars are eligible.
Old Jun 9, 2009 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Angelis83LT
Well, Does that mean if I traded in my 1983 camaro that gets 15mpg I could basically get 3500 or so toward the purchase of a nice LS1 4th Gen? We all realize that what is going to happen is the prices of all the vehicles are just going to increase that much so someone can make up the difference.
I'm pretty sure it's only for new vehicles.
Old Jun 9, 2009 | 10:39 PM
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What is to stop them from dropping the year requirement?
Old Jun 9, 2009 | 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by OutsiderIROC-Z
What is to stop them from dropping the year requirement?
It's all based on EPA data & they didn't track the data that far back.

Here is more information on how it works:

For Passenger Cars
If you have a passenger automobile not classified as a truck you qualify for a $3,500 credit if you trade in a less efficient vehicle for one with a combined fuel economy value at least 4 MPG higher that costs less than $45,000. The passenger car being trading in has to get 18 MPG or less, meaning you can't trade in a first generation Prius for an older one. Additionally, the new vehicle has to get 22 MPG or better. In order to qualify for $4,500 you need to trade in a vehicle that gets 10 MPG better combined.

For Light Duty Truck And SUVs
If you decide you want to trade in your category 1 light truck or SUV you need to find a new vehicle capable of getting a combined MPG of better than 18 MPG. If the new vehicle gets 2 MPG better you're eligible for $3,500. If you want the full $4,500 you need to find a new truck capable of getting a combined mileage 5 MPG higher.

For Heavy Duty Trucks And Vans
If you have a large Class 2 truck you're eligible for a $3,500 voucher if you trade up for one capable of getting at least 15 MPG combined and gets 1 MPG combined. For $4,500 the new vehicle will also have to provde performance 2 MPG or better than the trade in.

For Work Trucks
The best you can get for trading up to a Class 3 truck, also referred to as a medium-duty work truck like the GMC Topkick, is $3,500. In order to get this voucher you need to be trading in a vehicle with a model year older than 2001 for a new truck of smaller or similar size. Because of recent federal regulation changes, it's assumed the new truck is going to have a higher fuel economy.
More at the link
http://jalopnik.com/5285032/cash-for...ses-we-analyze
Old Jun 9, 2009 | 10:48 PM
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What ratings are they using? Highway miles, city miles, average of the two, E85 mileage....

I would love to trade in my 13/18 mpg Avalanche for an 18/29 V6 2010 Camaro. That extra $ may be enough to get over my dislike of the interior.

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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 96SSConv#2033
What ratings are they using? Highway miles, city miles, average of the two, E85 mileage....

I would love to trade in my 13/18 mpg Avalanche for an 18/29 V6 2010 Camaro. That extra $ may be enough to get over my dislike of the interior.

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The bill still has to go to the Senate for approval so there may be a few tweaks, but as it sits now there is no trade-in value beyond the voucher. The clunker will be sent off to the crusher. It seems to be more towards getting older real "clunkers" off the road, they must be in drivable condition & have been insured for the last year. In other words this wont work for EVERY trade in only on "clunkers" hense the name, but not TOO clunky.

Also, to answer your question they use the "combined EPA" you can look yours up at this link:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=browseList

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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 95redLT1
, but as it sits now there is no trade-in value beyond the voucher. The clunker will be sent off to the crusher.
Oh well, I thought it would be in addition to the trade in value of the vehicle.

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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 96SSConv#2033
Oh well, I thought it would be in addition to the trade in value of the vehicle.

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I was disappointed as well, my daily driver is a 91 legacy & gets 21 combined & the new v-6 camaro is 22

Like I said it still has to go to the senate & will probably be tweaked.

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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 11:52 PM
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My tax dollars at "work".

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Old Jun 10, 2009 | 12:13 AM
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No good will come of this for the hobbiest. Just one more thing to be pissed about....
Old Jun 10, 2009 | 12:54 AM
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Yeah, my 88 635 is suddenly worth $4500 at the junkyard. Decisions, decisions.



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