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Old 06-10-2009, 11:43 AM
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The cars end up crushed--no resale.
Not really important. Any car eligible for this program is automatically worth no less than 3,500 dollars in the eyes of the person getting rid of it. If they're already in the market for a new car, rather than selling the old one for two grand, they can trade it in for potentially more than twice as much.
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Old 06-10-2009, 11:54 AM
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I think this bill helps the enthusiast. I can buy this $500 Isuzu and get a $4500 credit towards a brand new Camaro.

Like I said before, no one is dumb enough to trade in a classic car for this program, it will be mostly all 80's and 90's SUVs and pickups that are already on their death bed.

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As far a Chevrolet cars you have:
Camaro 97 & older w/V8
Caprice w/v8
95-97 Lumina w/3.4
Corvette 98 & older
86 Monte w/v8
They wouldn't qualify unless you are trading for a Fusion hybrid or something. 1998 Corvette has the LS1 and would be worth a lot more than $4500
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Originally Posted by 95redLT1
...This is a car enthusiast site & this is going to help the auto companies thrive again so they can continue making the cars we wanna see!
I am enthusiast, but I also have principles - and I'm not willing to give up those principles just because this may be good for a hobby that I enjoy.

And we still pay for it. Nothing is free, and short-term gain now will have to be paid back at some point....usually in spades.
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Say goodbye to cheap used 3rd and 4th gen Camaros.
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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
I am enthusiast, but I also have principles - and I'm not willing to give up those principles just because this may be good for a hobby that I enjoy.

And we still pay for it. Nothing is free, and short-term gain now will have to be paid back at some point....usually in spades.
You apparently don't realize the benefits from this. They are projecting an increase of 1 MILLION new car sales in a market experiencing less than 10 million. Thats a 10% increase! This creates and KEEPS jobs for a big chunk of the population plus is good for the environment.
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
Say goodbye to cheap used 3rd and 4th gen Camaros.
The cheap ones that would be a benefit to trade in are not worth buying & can only increase value of yours....
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Originally Posted by 95redLT1
The cheap ones that would be a benefit to trade in are not worth buying & can only increase value of yours....
I'm sorry but I doubt I could get more than $4500 for my '95 Z/28 today... and its fairly clean with only 60k miles.

There are many out there that would take the $4500 rather than hassle with selling the vehicle.
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Originally Posted by 95redLT1
You apparently don't realize the benefits from this. They are projecting an increase of 1 MILLION new car sales in a market experiencing less than 10 million. Thats a 10% increase! This creates and KEEPS jobs for a big chunk of the population plus is good for the environment.
You're probably right - I'm just stupid.

And who is "they"? The same folks that back in Feb said that unemployment wasn't going to get over 8% so long as we spent more stimulus money quicker?
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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
You're probably right - I'm just stupid.

And who is "they"? The same folks that back in Feb said that unemployment wasn't going to get over 8% so long as we spent more stimulus money quicker?
Fortunately you're not the decision maker and we obviously have differen't opinions on this matter & I for one hope it works! Already has in Germany & a few other countries with similar concepts.
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Originally Posted by Z28x
I think this bill helps the enthusiast. I can buy this $500 Isuzu and get a $4500 credit towards a brand new Camaro.
I think you have to own and insure the Isuzu for a year first.

It still helps, though.
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Old 06-10-2009, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 95redLT1
Fortunately you're not the decision maker and we obviously have differen't opinions on this matter & I for one hope it works! Already has in Germany & a few other countries with similar concepts.
Nice dodge. I ask again - who is the "they" that are projecting a 1 million car sale increase? And over what time period?

Yes, fortunately my vote counts just as much as yours. Germany? A wonderful socialist-leaning country to emulate.
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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
Nice dodge. I ask again - who is the "they" that are projecting a 1 million car sale increase? And over what time period?

Yes, fortunately my vote counts just as much as yours. Germany? A wonderful socialist-leaning country to emulate.

The hope is the Act will increase new vehicle sales by one million units in the first year
http://jalopnik.com/5285032/cash-for...ses-we-analyze

Your vote counts, but mine will only cancel yours out. So in theory neither one counts.
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The hope is the Act will increase new vehicle sales by one million units in the first year at a time when the market is expected to experience sales of less than 10 million.
They are "hoping" for a million. I was "hoping" for less than 1.5 trillion in deficits too....didn't work out.

In all seriousness, the idea is fine, but I disagree completely with my tax money being used for this. Sorry. Like we both said....I guess we're cancelled out.
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It would seem to me that IF the goal was really to stimulate automotive sales, there wouldn't be a stipulation that only older cars that get at or below 'x' miles per gallon are eligible to trade in this program. I see this as nothing more than a cleverly-veiled environmentalist bill, aimed at a "certain type" of vehicle, funded by taxpayer dollars.

But I suppose I am not as "enlightened" as others.
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Originally Posted by Z28x
I think this bill helps the enthusiast. I can buy this $500 Isuzu and get a $4500 credit towards a brand new Camaro.
Are you dumb enough to think if this passes that guy will still be selling that isuzu for $500?

No, now suddenly it's a $3500 steal!
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